Aug 262014

You will know first part, nothing new there.  But there are worthwhile insights.

Knabe briefly mentions Edward Snowden;  at the end Knabe is asked re relationship to NSA.


TEDSalon Berlin 2014·19:34·  Filmed Jun 2014

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0:11  This year, Germany is celebratingthe 25th anniversary of the peaceful revolutionin East Germany.In 1989, the Communist regime was moved away,the Berlin Wall came down, and one year later,the German Democratic Republic, the GDR,in the East was unifiedwith the Federal Republic of Germany in the Westto found today’s Germany.Among many other things, Germany inheritedthe archives of the East German secret police,known as the Stasi.Only two years after its dissolution,its documents were opened to the public,and historians such as me startedto study these documentsto learn more about how the GDR surveillance statefunctioned.

1:06  Perhaps you have watched the movie“The Lives of Others.”This movie made the Stasi known worldwide,and as we live in an age where wordssuch as “surveillance” or “wiretapping”are on the front pages of newspapers,I would like to speak about how the Stasireally worked.

1:30  At the beginning, let’s have a short lookat the history of the Stasi,because it’s really important for understandingits self-conception.Its origins are located in Russia.In 1917, the Russian Communists foundedthe Emergency Commission for CombatingCounter-Revolution and Sabotage,shortly Cheka.It was led by Felix Dzerzhinsky.The Cheka was an instrument of the Communiststo establish their regime by terrorizing the populationand executing their enemies.It evolved later into the well-known KGB.The Cheka was the idol of the Stasi officers.They called themselves Chekists,and even the emblem was very similar,as you can see here.In fact, the secret police of Russiawas the creator and instructor of the Stasi.When the Red Army occupied East Germany in 1945,it immediately expanded there,and soon it started to train the German Communiststo build up their own secret police.By the way, in this hall where we are now,the ruling party of the GDR was founded in 1946.

2:52  Five years later, the Stasi was established,and step by step, the dirty job of oppressionwas handed over to it.For instance, the central jailfor political prisoners,which was established by the Russians,was taken over by the Stasiand used until the end of Communism.You see it here.At the beginning, every important steptook place under the attendance of the Russians.But the Germans are known to be very effective,so the Stasi grew very quickly,and already in 1953, it had more employeesthan the Gestapo had,the secret police of Nazi Germany.The number doubled in each decade.In 1989, more than 90,000 employeesworked for the Stasi.This meant that one employeewas responsible for 180 inhabitants,which was really unique in the world.

3:53  At the top of this tremendous apparatus,there was one man, Erich Mielke.He ruled the Ministry of State Securityfor more than 30 years.He was a scrupulous functionary —in his past, he killed two policemennot far away from here —who in fact personalized the Stasi.

4:16  But what was so exceptional about the Stasi?Foremost, it was its enormous power,because it united different functionsin one organization.First of all, the Stasiwas an intelligence service.It used all the imaginable instrumentsfor getting information secretly,such as informers, or tapping phones,as you can see it on the picture here.And it was not only active in East Germany,but all over the world.Secondly, the Stasi was a secret police.It could stop people on the streetand arrest them in its own prisons.Thirdly, the Stasi workedas a kind of public prosecutor.It had the right to open preliminary investigationsand to interrogate people officially.Last but not least,the Stasi had its own armed forces.More than 11,000 soldiers were servingin its so-called Guards Regiment.It was founded to crash down protests and uprisings.Due to this concentration of power,the Stasi was called a state in the state.

5:36  But let’s look in more and more detailat the tools of the Stasi.Please keep in mind that at that timethe web and smartphones were not yet invented.Of course, the Stasi used all kindsof technical instruments to survey people.Telephones were wiretapped,including the phone of the German chancellor in the West,and often also the apartments.Every day, 90,000 letters were being openedby these machines.The Stasi also shadowed tens of thousands of peopleusing specially trained agents and secret camerasto document every step one took.In this picture, you can see meas a young man just in front of this buildingwhere we are now, photographed by a Stasi agent.The Stasi even collected the smell of people.It stored samples of it in closed jarswhich were found after the peaceful revolution.For all these tasks, highly specialized departmentswere responsible.The one which was tapping phone callswas completely separatedfrom the one which controlled the letters,for good reasons,because if one agent quit the Stasi,his knowledge was very small.Contrast that with Snowden, for example.But the vertical specialization was also importantto prevent all kinds of empathywith the object of observation.The agent who shadowed medidn’t know who I wasor why I was surveyed.In fact, I smuggled forbidden booksfrom West to East Germany.

7:26  But what was even more typical for the Stasiwas the use of human intelligence,people who reported secretly to the Stasi.For the Minister of State Security,these so-called unofficial employeeswere the most important tools.From 1975 on, nearly 200,000 peoplecollaborated constantly with the Stasi,more than one percent of the population.And in a way, the minister was right,because technical instrumentscan only register what people are doing,but agents and spies can also reportwhat people are planning to doand what they are thinking.Therefore, the Stasi recruited so many informants.The system of how to get themand how to educate them, as it was called,was very sophisticated.The Stasi had its own university,not far away from here,where the methods were exploredand taught to the officers.This guideline gave a detailed descriptionof every step you have to takeif you want to convince human beingsto betray their fellow citizens.Sometimes it’s said that informants were pressured to becoming one,but that’s mostly not true,because a forced informant is a bad informant.Only someone who wants to give you the information you needis an effective whistleblower.The main reasons why people cooperated with the Stasiwere political conviction and material benefits.The officers also tried to create a personal bondbetween themselves and the informant,and to be honest, the example of the Stasi showsthat it’s not so difficult to win someonein order to betray others.Even some of the top dissidents in East Germanycollaborated with the Stasi,as for instance Ibrahim Böhme.  In 1989, he was the leader of the peaceful revolutionand he nearly became the first freely elected Prime Minister of the GDRuntil it came out that he was an informant.

9:55  The net of spies was really broad.In nearly every institution,even in the churches or in West Germany,there were many of them.I remember telling a leading Stasi officer,“If you had sent an informant to me,I would surely have recognized him.”His answer was,“We didn’t send anyone.We took those who were around you.”And in fact, two of my best friendsreported about me to the Stasi.Not only in my case, informers were very close.For example, Vera Lengsfeld, another leading dissident,in her case it was her husband who spied on her.A famous writer was betrayed by his brother.This reminds me of the novel “1984″ by George Orwell,where the only apparently trustable personwas an informer.

10:53  But why did the Stasi collect all this informationin its archives?The main purpose was to control the society.In nearly every speech, the Stasi ministergave the order to find out who is who,which meant who thinks what.He didn’t want to wait until somebodytried to act against the regime.He wanted to know in advancewhat people were thinking and planning.The East Germans knew, of course,that they were surrounded by informers,in a totalitarian regime that created mistrustand a state of widespread fear,the most important tools to oppress peoplein any dictatorship.

11:38  That’s why not many East Germans triedto fight against the Communist regime.If yes, the Stasi often used a methodwhich was really diabolic.It was called Zersetzung,and it’s described in another guideline.The word is difficult to translate because it meansoriginally “biodegradation.”But actually, it’s a quite accurate description.The goal was to destroy secretlythe self-confidence of people,for example by damaging their reputation,by organizing failures in their work,and by destroying their personal relationships.Considering this, East Germany was a very modern dictatorship.The Stasi didn’t try to arrest every dissident.It preferred to paralyze them,and it could do so becauseit had access to so much personal informationand to so many institutions.Detaining someone was used onlyas a last resort.For this, the Stasi owned 17 remand prisons,one in every district.Here, the Stasi also developedquite modern methods of detention.Normally, the interrogation officerdidn’t torture the prisoner.Instead, he used a sophisticated systemof psychological pressurein which strict isolation was central.Nearly no prisoner resistedwithout giving a testimony.If you have the occasion,do visit the former Stasi prison in Berlinand attend a guided tour with a former political prisonerwho will explain to you how this worked.

13:38  One more question needs to be answered:If the Stasi were so well organized,why did the Communist regime collapse?First, in 1989, the leadership in East Germanywas uncertain what to do againstthe growing protest of people.It was especially confusedbecause in the mother country of socialism,the Soviet Union,a more liberal policy took place.In addition, the regime was dependenton the loans from the West.Therefore, no order to crash down the uprisingwas given to the Stasi.Secondly, in the Communist ideology,there’s no place for criticism.Instead, the leadership stuck to the beliefthat socialism is a perfect system,and the Stasi had to confirm that, of course.The consequence wasthat despite all the information,the regime couldn’t analyze its real problems,and therefore it couldn’t solve them.In the end, the Stasi diedbecause of the structuresthat it was charged with protecting.

14:54  The ending of the Stasiwas something tragic,because these officerswere kept busy during the peaceful revolutionwith only one thing:to destroy the documentsthey had produced during decades.Fortunately,they had been stopped by human rights activists.That’s why today we can use the filesto get a better understandingof how a surveillance state functions.

15:25  Thank you.

15:27  (Applause)

15:35  Bruno Giussani: Thank you. Thank you very much.So Hubertus, I want to ask you a couple of questionsbecause I have here Der Spiegel from last week.“Mein Nachbar NSA.” My neighbor, the NSA.And you just told us about my neighbor,the spies and the informant from East Germany.So there is a direct link between these two storiesor there isn’t?What’s your reaction as a historian when you see this?

16:04  Hubertus Knabe: I think there areseveral aspects to mention.At first, I think there’s a differenceof why you are collecting this data.Are you doing that for protecting your peopleagainst terrorist attacks,or are you doing that for oppressing your people?So that makes a fundamental difference.But on the other hand,also in a democracy, these instruments can be abused,and that is something where we really haveto be aware to stop that,and that also the intelligence servicesare respecting the rules we have.The third point, probably,we really can be happy that we live in a democracy,because you can be sure that Russia and Chinaare doing the same,but nobody speaks about thatbecause nobody could do that.

16:53      (Applause)

17:00  BG: When the story came out first,last July, last year,you filed a criminal complaintwith a German tribunal. Why?HK: Yeah, I did so because of the second point I mentioned,that I think especially in a democracy,the rules are for everybody.They are made for everybody, so it’s not allowedthat any institution doesn’t respect the rules.In the criminal code of Germany, it’s writtenthat it’s not allowed to tap somebodywithout the permission of the judge.Fortunately, it’s written in the criminal code of Germany,so if it’s not respected, then I thinkan investigation is necessary,and it took a very long time thatthe public prosecutor of Germany started this,and he started it only in the case of Angela Merkel,and not in the case of all the other people living in Germany.

17:52  BG: That doesn’t surprise me because —(Applause) —because of the story you told.Seen from the outside, I live outside of Germany,and I expected the Germans to reactmuch more strongly, immediately.And instead, the reaction really came onlywhen Chancellor Merkel was revealedas being wiretapped. Why so?

18:16  HK: I take it as a good sign,because people feel secure in this democracy.They aren’t afraid that they will be arrested,and if you leave this hall after the conference,nobody has to be afraid that the secret policeis standing out and is arresting you.So that’s a good sign, I think.People are not really scared, as they could be.But of course, I think, the institutionsare responsible to stop illegal actionsin Germany or wherever they happen.

18:47  BG: A personal question, and this is the last one.There has been a debate in Germany aboutgranting asylum to Edward Snowden.Would you be in favor or against?

18:57   HK: Oh, that’s a difficult question,but if you ask me,and if I answer honestly,I would give him the asylum,because I think it was really brave what he did,and he destroyed his whole lifeand his family and everything.So I think, for these people, we should do something,and especially if you see the German history,where so many people had to escapeand they asked for asylum in other countriesand they didn’t get it,so it would be a good sign to give him asylum.

19:26   (Applause)

19:28   BG: Hubertus, thank you very much.

 Posted by at 1:43 pm
Aug 192014

The covering letter from AVAAZ is very good – it’s at the bottom.  Actions in support!

Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, in an exclusive article for Haaretz, calls for a global boycott of Israel and urges Israelis and Palestinians to look beyond their leaders for a sustainable solution to the crisis in the Holy Land.

A child next to a picture of Nelson Mandela at a pro-Palestinian rally in Cape TownA child next to a picture of Nelson Mandela at a pro-Palestinian rally in Cape Town. August 9, 2014 / Photo by AP


By Desmond Tutu

Published 21:56 14.08.14
The past weeks have witnessed unprecedented action by members of civil society across the world against the injustice of Israel’s disproportionately brutal response to the firing of missiles from Palestine.If you add together all the people who gathered over the past weekend to demand justice in Israel and Palestine – in Cape Town, Washington, D.C., New York, New Delhi, London, Dublin and Sydney, and all the other cities – this was arguably the largest active outcry by citizens around a single cause ever in the history of the world.

A quarter of a century ago, I participated in some well-attended demonstrations against apartheid. I never imagined we’d see demonstrations of that size again, but last Saturday’s turnout in Cape Town was as big if not bigger. Participants included young and old, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists, blacks, whites, reds and greens … as one would expect from a vibrant, tolerant, multicultural nation.

I asked the crowd to chant with me: “We are opposed to the injustice of the illegal occupation of Palestine. We are opposed to the indiscriminate killing in Gaza. We are opposed to the indignity meted out to Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks. We are opposed to violence perpetrated by all parties. But we are not opposed to Jews.”

Earlier in the week, I called for the suspension of Israel from the International Union of Architects, which was meeting in South Africa.

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I appealed to Israeli sisters and brothers present at the conference to actively disassociate themselves and their profession from the design and construction of infrastructure related to perpetuating injustice, including the separation barrier, the security terminals and checkpoints, and the settlements built on occupied Palestinian land.

“I implore you to take this message home: Please turn the tide against violence and hatred by joining the nonviolent movement for justice for all people of the region,” I said.

Over the past few weeks, more than 1.6 million people across the world have signed onto this movement by joining an Avaaz campaign calling on corporations profiting from the Israeli occupation and/or implicated in the abuse and repression of Palestinians to pull out. The campaign specifically targets Dutch pension fund ABP; Barclays Bank; security systems supplier G4S; French transport company Veolia; computer company Hewlett-Packard; and bulldozer supplier Caterpillar.

Last month, 17 EU governments urged their citizens to avoid doing business in or investing in illegal Israeli settlements.

We have also recently witnessed the withdrawal by Dutch pension fund PGGM of tens of millions of euros from Israeli banks; the divestment from G4S by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; and the U.S. Presbyterian Church divested an estimated $21 million from HP, Motorola Solutions and Caterpillar.

It is a movement that is gathering pace.

Violence begets violence and hatred, that only begets more violence and hatred.

We South Africans know about violence and hatred. We understand the pain of being the polecat of the world; when it seems nobody understands or is even willing to listen to our perspective. It is where we come from.

We also know the benefits that dialogue between our leaders eventually brought us; when organizations labeled “terrorist” were unbanned and their leaders, including Nelson Mandela, were released from imprisonment, banishment and exile.

We know that when our leaders began to speak to each other, the rationale for the violence that had wracked our society dissipated and disappeared. Acts of terrorism perpetrated after the talks began – such as attacks on a church and a pub – were almost universally condemned, and the party held responsible snubbed at the ballot box.

The exhilaration that followed our voting together for the first time was not the preserve of black South Africans alone. The real triumph of our peaceful settlement was that all felt included. And later, when we unveiled a constitution so tolerant, compassionate and inclusive that it would make God proud, we all felt liberated.

Of course, it helped that we had a cadre of extraordinary leaders.

But what ultimately forced these leaders together around the negotiating table was the cocktail of persuasive, nonviolent tools that had been developed to isolate South Africa, economically, academically, culturally and psychologically.

At a certain point – the tipping point – the then-government realized that the cost of attempting to preserve apartheid outweighed the benefits.

The withdrawal of trade with South Africa by multinational corporations with a conscience in the 1980s was ultimately one of the key levers that brought the apartheid state – bloodlessly – to its knees. Those corporations understood that by contributing to South Africa’s economy, they were contributing to the retention of an unjust status quo.

Those who continue to do business with Israel, who contribute to a sense of “normalcy” in Israeli society, are doing the people of Israel and Palestine a disservice. They are contributing to the perpetuation of a profoundly unjust status quo.

Those who contribute to Israel’s temporary isolation are saying that Israelis and Palestinians are equally entitled to dignity and peace.

Ultimately, events in Gaza over the past month or so are going to test who believes in the worth of human beings.

It is becoming more and more clear that politicians and diplomats are failing to come up with answers, and that responsibility for brokering a sustainable solution to the crisis in the Holy Land rests with civil society and the people of Israel and Palestine themselves.

Besides the recent devastation of Gaza, decent human beings everywhere – including many in Israel – are profoundly disturbed by the daily violations of human dignity and freedom of movement Palestinians are subjected to at checkpoints and roadblocks. And Israel’s policies of illegal occupation and the construction of buffer-zone settlements on occupied land compound the difficulty of achieving an agreementsettlement in the future that is acceptable for all.

The State of Israel is behaving as if there is no tomorrow. Its people will not live the peaceful and secure lives they crave – and are entitled to – as long as their leaders perpetuate conditions that sustain the conflict.

I have condemned those in Palestine responsible for firing missiles and rockets at Israel. They are fanning the flames of hatred. I am opposed to all manifestations of violence.

But we must be very clear that the people of Palestine have every right to struggle for their dignity and freedom. It is a struggle that has the support of many around the world.

No human-made problems are intractable when humans put their heads together with the earnest desire to overcome them. No peace is impossible when people are determined to achieve it.

Peace requires the people of Israel and Palestine to recognize the human being in themselves and each other; to understand their interdependence.

Missiles, bombs and crude invective are not part of the solution. There is no military solution.

The solution is more likely to come from that nonviolent toolbox we developed in South Africa in the 1980s, to persuade the government of the necessity of altering its policies.

The reason these tools – boycott, sanctions and divestment – ultimately proved effective was because they had a critical mass of support, both inside and outside the country. The kind of support we have witnessed across the world in recent weeks, in respect of Palestine.

My plea to the people of Israel is to see beyond the moment, to see beyond the anger at feeling perpetually under siege, to see a world in which Israel and Palestine can coexist – a world in which mutual dignity and respect reign.

It requires a mind-set shift. A mind-set shift that recognizes that attempting to perpetuate the current status quo is to damn future generations to violence and insecurity. A mind-set shift that stops regarding legitimate criticism of a state’s policies as an attack on Judaism. A mind-set shift that begins at home and ripples out across communities and nations and regions – to the Diaspora scattered across the world we share. The only world we share.

People united in pursuit of a righteous cause are unstoppable. God does not interfere in the affairs of people, hoping we will grow and learn through resolving our difficulties and differences ourselves. But God is not asleep. The Jewish scriptures tell us that God is biased on the side of the weak, the dispossessed, the widow, the orphan, the alien who set slaves free on an exodus to a Promised Land. It was the prophet Amos who said we should let righteousness flow like a river.

Goodness prevails in the end. The pursuit of freedom for the people of Palestine from humiliation and persecution by the policies of Israel is a righteous cause. It is a cause that the people of Israel should support.

Nelson Mandela famously said that South Africans would not feel free until Palestinians were free.

He might have added that the liberation of Palestine will liberate Israel, too.


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AVAAZ writes:

Dear friends,

This is the first time an opinion piece has gone out to our community, but this one’s historic.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu has just published a powerful call to conscience in an Israeli newspaper. In it, the Nobel Laureate and anti-apartheid legend stands with 1.7 million of us in calling on companies to boycott and divest from the Israeli occupation and repression of Palestine. His love shines through, as he urges Israelis (87% of whom supported the Gaza bombing) to liberate *themselves* from this terrible status quo.  It’s a must-read:

His Op-Ed is here (free registration may be needed, or try this other link).

The piece is exclusively published in an Israeli newspaper, but it’s a powerful legitimizer of what some governments still see as a controversial position, and the rest of the world needs to see it. The only way that will happen is through people sharing it.  Let’s share it with everyone!

This campaign is gathering real pace. Russell Brand has recorded this video backing our campaign, and the companies we’re targeting are starting to reach out to the Avaaz team and ask for meetings. Avaazers in the UK are campaigning to end arms sales to Israel as the government there initiates a review. And shockingly, even the US government cancelled a shipment of hellfire missiles to Israel!

The pressure is working – so let’s keep it up! If you haven’t yet, sign the petition here. Or click here to keep sending messages to our target companies. Let’s make sure they don’t think they can ride this out. And if you have a local campaign you could start to ensure that your town, or university, or community divests from the repression of Palestinians, start your own campaign here.

It’s a tremendous thing for us to once again stand alongside Archbishop Tutu – one of our truly great non-violent leaders. Because in a world torn apart by extremists who successfully demonise the ‘other’, non-violent strength is transformative – the strength to be firm, even tough, in standing up for justice, but out of a love for all people that refuses to fall victim to the fear and ignorance that is our universal enemy. A love that recognises that all our fates, and freedom, are intertwined. That’s the precious spirit that our greatest leaders, from Gandhi to Tutu, have taught us, and that our community strives to live up to with each and every campaign.

With hope, Ricken, Alex, Fadi, Jeremy, Ana Sofia, Ari and the rest of the Avaaz team

PS – This campaign is about creating the conditions for a lasting peace between Israel and Palestine, and safe homes for Jews and Palestinians alike. Both anti-semitism and racism against Palestinians, like all hatred, are grotesque and should be fought. At the end of day, it is extremists on both sides that work together to threaten a peaceful future, and our work is to bring reasonable people together from all sides to take the action needed to save both Israel and Palestine.


If anyone feels this campaign is one-sided, please check the Avaaz team’s response and explanation here. is a 38-million-person global campaign network that works to ensure that the views and values of the world’s people shape global decision-making. (“Avaaz” means “voice” or “song” in many languages.) Avaaz members live in every nation of the world; our team is spread across 18 countries on 6 continents and operates in 17 languages. Learn about some of Avaaz’s biggest campaigns here, or follow us on Facebook or Twitter.

 Posted by at 7:26 pm
Aug 152014

NOTE:  I will get in touch with people named in this article to let them know that we got Lockheed Martin Corp OUT of  Statistics Canada, and of related initiatives.  In spirit with them.  /Sandra

By Rowena Dela Rosa Yoon

Anti-war activists stormed a factory in Port Melbourne this morning to protest against the Australian government’s support for Israeli’s war in Gaza. They raided the manufacturing compound which, they said, supplies arms and drones for Israel.

Named the Melbourne Palestine Action Coalition (MPAC), it consists of activists from Whistleblowers Australian Citizens Alliance (WACA) and renegade activists. The protesters occupied the roof of Elbit Systems and blockaded the front gate.

WAKA’s Spokesperson Sam Castro said, “We are here today to call on the Australian Government to end military trade deals with Israel and cancel all domestic contracts with Elbit Systems.”

Anti-war activists occupy the rooftop of Elbit Systems (Photo: WACA)

The activists blasted Elbit Systems as one of the world’s leading manufacturers of unmanned aerial drones used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in their ongoing offensive in Gaza. It accused the company to have “profited over the month-long attack with their share prices rising by 6.1% in July.”

Elbit is Israel’s largest military company which sells its drones around the world as ‘field tested’. According to the group, they have been tested on the Palestinian population under Israel’s illegal military occupation. Elbit provides services and technology to the Israeli army including surveillance equipment and drones.

There is evidence documented by various human rights groups, that drones are used to kill innocent civilians in Gaza. Al Mezan Centre, a Palestinian human rights organization, attributes the killing of more than 1,000 Palestinian in Gaza between 2000-2010 by drones, the group claims.

MPAC also accused the Australian Federal Police of spending $145 million for a computer policing system supplied by Elbit Australia after being tried and tested in the Palestinian Occupied Territories in 2010.

With front gate locked up, the activists scaled the wall of the company, then dropped a nine meter banner, reading ‘Elbit Drones Kill Kids In Gaza #BDS’ – a replication of the Israeli Government’s apartheid wall.

They said Israel’s ability to launch devastating attacks with impunity largely stems from the vast international military cooperation and trade that it maintains with complicit governments across the world.

The group said it is shocking to know the fact that Melbourne is one of the most livable cities in the world, yet there is a company making drones near the city. Drones that kill women and children are manufactured in the leafy suburb of Port Melbourne, they said.

 By importing and exporting arms to Israel and facilitating the development of Israeli military technology, governments are effectively sending a clear message of approval for Israel’s military aggression, including its war crimes and possible crimes against humanity.

The WAKA Spokesperson Sam Castro further said, “This is just the beginning of a global campaign to stop the war profiteering of private corporations off the people of Palestine and others around the world.”


Smart Tactical Advanced Racket is one of the featured products of Elbit Systems

Israel’s military technology is marketed as “field-tested” and exported across the world. Military trade and joint military-related research relations with Israel embolden Israeli impunity in committing grave violations of international law and facilitate the entrenchment of Israel’s system of occupation, colonization and systematic denial of Palestinian rights.

Ms Castro concluded, “We, like many other groups around the world, call on the UN and all governments to take immediate steps to implement a comprehensive and legally binding military embargo on Israel, similar to that imposed on South Africa during apartheid.”

 Posted by at 1:44 pm
Jul 292014

The Powell River Peak

PRINCIPLED PROTEST: Eve Stegenga’s almost year-long wait has ended after a judge ruled that despite her moral objections to the 2011 Canadian census being handled by a US weapons maker she did not have any lawful excuse for not completing the federal form.
Yoga teacher found guilty by not completing census
by Chris Bolster |
Published: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:51 AM PDT
A 37-year-old yoga instructor from Lund who refused to complete the 2011 Canadian census because of its link to an American military contractor was found guilty of violating the Statistics Act, a BC provincial court judge has decided.Karen (Eve) Stegenga was handed a conditional discharge for her crime of not following government regulations, meaning she will not have a permanent criminal record after completing her sentence of 25 hours of community service within the next six months and an additional three months of probation.

Stegenga will remain on probation until her community service is complete.

Outside the Powell River provincial court house after the ruling Thursday, July 17, Stegenga hugged her supporters. “It’s taking me a little bit of time to feel the relief because this has been building up and holding on for 10 months,” said Stegenga. As a person dedicated to her community, she does not believe her community service will be a burden to complete. She plans to lead Hasya yoga classes, a practice involving prolonged self-induced laughter, yogic breathing and relaxation techniques.

The yoga instructor faced the possibility of a $500 fine and/or three months in jail.

Stegenga represented herself at trial and found both the Crown prosecutor and judge helpful in answering to her questions about how the proceedings should go. She expressed her gratitude for the support of Sandra Finley, a community activist and former leader of the Saskatchewan Green Party who was prosecuted for not filling in the 2006 census. Finley has since moved to BC and helped Stegenga build her defence.

Stegenga argued that she did not file her 2011 census because it was being processed using software from Lockheed Martin. She did not want to support or be associated with the munitions manufacturer in any way and she objected to the Canadian government handing the corporation, which she characterized as “corrupt and immoral,” a lucrative contract.Stegenga, a self-described conscientious Canadian, became increasingly alarmed after reading, in 2011, a newspaper article about the relationship and then researching further Lockheed Martin’s role in the development of software and handling of the census data for the 2006 Canadian census of population.

Stegenga worried that it might be possible information on Canadians could be accessed by the American arms manufacturer, or even the American government if the corporation was forced to turn over data under the US Patriot Act.

Stegenga argued at trial that her Charter rights were violated by being required to answer the short-form census and that Statistics Canada had not done enough to address concerns over the involvement of Lockheed Martin in the processing of the data.

Judge A. E. Rounthwaite, who presided over the case, disagreed with Stegenga’s arguments and found that Stegenga had no lawful reason for not participating in the census.

The judge wrote in her decision that while there is no question of Stegenga’s commitment to peace and democracy, Section 31 of the Statistics Act, which compels all citizens to complete the census with accurate information, does not infringe her freedom of conscience or interfere with her beliefs. In her decision the judge noted, from another case involving census non-compliance, that freedom of conscience does not give citizens “broad licence to disregard or disobey valid statutes on the basis of moral disapproval.” She also ruled that being compelled to participate in the census did not violate Stegenga’s freedom of expression.

“Filling out the form cannot rationally be viewed as an expression of support for Lockheed Martin or the federal government,” she wrote.

The judge also dismissed Stegenga’s abuse of process argument saying that the government’s conduct is not offensive to fair play and decency, elements used in a test to determine if abuse has occurred. Stegenga argued that it was unjust to prosecute citizens, like herself, after the federal government had responded to concerns similar to hers from both members of parliament and the general public, reducing and finally extinguishing the role of Lockheed Martin in the census.

In deciding on a sentence, Rounthwaite said she tried to balance Stegenga’s moral stand with the court’s obligation to deter others from breaking the law.

“I’ve been impressed with the way you’ve presented your case and how you’ve conducted yourself,” the judge said in closing. “What you did in refusing to complete the census was wrong, but we’ve dealt with that now. I think your community is fortunate to have you. It’s nice to see someone who has strong beliefs.”

 Posted by at 4:48 pm
Jul 292014

Powell River Peak

Editorial: Public pressure

Published: Wednesday, July 23, 2014

Canadians concerned that personal information could be breached by an American munitions manufacturer can breathe a little easier.Eve Stegenga, a yoga teacher and massage therapist from Lund, had her trial last week for not completing her 2011 mandatory Canadian census form. While she was found guilty of violating the Statistics Act, she was able to bring more attention to two important developments: that the number of Canadian households which were non-compliant in completing is much higher than initially reported and Lockheed Martin will no longer be involved with the Canadian census.

Stegenga is one of 54 non-compliant Canadians whose cases were referred to the Public Prosecution Service of Canada for not completing the form in 2011. When contacted last fall about the levels of non-compliance, a spokesperson for Statistics Canada said that only a small number refused to comply with the mandatory census.

One of the cases, heard in October 2013, concerned an 89-year-old war veteran and peace activist Audrey Tobias. In that trial, which ultimately found Tobias not guilty, the Crown prosecutor brought Yves Beland, director of census operations division at Statistics Canada, to testify. Stegenga was given Beland’s testimony to help her prepare her case.

Beland under oath said that out of approximately 14 million households, 1.6 million did not return completed forms, which, at 11 per cent, is much higher than the previously reported two per cent.

He also testified that in 2004 after Lockheed Martin was granted the contract to develop software to process the paper forms and merge them with completed forms collected online, public pressure began to mount.

Statistics Canada reacted by substantially scaling back Lockheed’s contract for the 2006 census, reduced it further for 2011 and removed the corporation’s involvement completely for 2016.Imagine the trouble and expense that could have been averted if this fact was brought to light a little sooner.

Stegenga does not object to the usefulness of the government collecting information about its citizenry. What she and others, including 20 members of parliament in 2004, were concerned about was the possibility that the US government through the use of the Patriot Act might be able to access confidential information provided by Canadians.

Beland responded that Statistics Canada took the matter seriously and descoped Lockheed’s mandate right away.

 Posted by at 4:40 pm
Jul 212014

Submitted to me, in reply to the Lockheed Martin / Census story:

Subject: “Where they make a desert, they call it peace.” Tacitus

mind boggling!

Informative & tragic.

The Business of War: SOFEX – YouTube

(UPDATE: Number of views = 1,248,100 as at July 22, 2014 @ 1:30 pm PST.  1,262,100 views 10 days later  Aug 1 AM.  1,268,197 views August 5th.  1,279,745 by August 12th.)

Wave canon, wtf!

Sonic weapon
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A Long-Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) in use on the USS Blue Ridge

Sonic and ultrasonic weapons (USW) are weapons of various types that use sound to injure, incapacitate, or kill an opponent. Some sonic weapons are currently in limited use or in research and development by military and police forces. Others exist only in the realm of science fiction. Some of these weapons have been described as sonic bullets, sonic grenades, sonic mines, or sonic cannons. Some make a focused beam of sound or ultrasound; some make an area field of sound.



 Posted by at 1:57 pm
Jul 202014

It has taken ten years.  Lockheed Martin Corp is OUT of the Canadian Census and Statistics operation.

A huge number of Canadians, most of them anonymous, are to thank.

The main tool was “spreading the word” through community grapevines – electronic media but also conversations with friends.  Ultimately, that is what counted – the formation of a critical mass of citizens who know about Lockheeed Martin.

An excellent companion-piece, a 20 minute you-tube.  You’ll find Lockheed Martin, once again:   The Business of War: SOFEX  

(UPDATE:  Number of views = 1,248,100.  As at July 22, 2014 @ 1:30 pm PST)

New to the story of Lockheed Martin at StatsCan?  see the Static Page  about Lockheed Martin and its intrusion into Canadian Government.


Canadians were not told that their efforts were successful:

  • the decision by Statistics Canada (Lockheed Martin has to go) was not announced
  • the reason for riddance? . . .  conscientitious objection by so many Canadians


How do we know?

  • TRANSCRIPT  of the testimony by Yves Beland, Director of Census Operations at the October 2013 trial of Audrey Tobias.  (Audrey was 89 years old at the time of her trial over Lockheed Martin’s involvement in Statistics Canada.)

Excerpts from Transcript, Yves Beland:

1.      Transcript, Tobias trial establishes Lockheed Martin is OUT

2.     StatsCan math is wrong on non-compliance. It’s 11%, not 2%

The information that Lockheed Martin is “out of the picture totally”  was uncovered during preparation for the trial of  (Karen) Eve Stegenga, July 17, 2014 in Powell River, B.C..  The issue was the same.  Eve would not fill in her census form because of Lockheed Martin’s involvement.


Three women a threat to their communities, had to be prosecuted: 

  • Even though StatsCan KNEW that Lockheed Martin’s role in the Census will be ended within two years (the next Census in 2016),  and the decision had been made by the time of the Tobias case in October 2013,

they went ahead and prosecuted:

  • Audrey Tobias, 89 years old
  • Janet Churnin, 79 years  old  and
  • (Karen) Eve Stegenga,  a self-employed yoga instructor, 37 years old.


The three women are obviously a threat to other people in their communities.  Hence deserving of prosecution.

  • (Karen) Eve Stegenga received a conditional discharge (July 17, 2014).  She is to do 25 hours of community service.
  • Janet Churnin received a conditional discharge (December 2013).  50 hours of community service.
  • Audrey Tobias was found not guilty (October 2013).


It is good to see the Justice Department putting tax money to good use.  The cost of any one of these trials is very high – preparation, consultations, judges, prosecutors, court workers, facility costs, opportunity costs (the money could have been put to better use).

As reported above, by 2011 non-compliance was 11%  (not the 2% reported by StatsCan).

Hopefully, after the Stegenga case, the Justice Dept “gets it”:  the collective conscience of Canadians is strong.   They are not going to obtain compliance by using the threat of prosecution.

Prosecution Services wanted a $250.00 fine, community service, and probation for Eve Stegenga.  The intent was deterrence for other Canadians.  It seems to me to be a backward argument.  They will get higher rates of compliance, not through coercion but by getting rid of the cause of the conscientitious objection:  Lockheed Martin.    StatsCan has done that.  Why they continued to prosecute the Lockheed cases is beyond me.   If it’s just to show who is Lord of the Manor, well, they may want to re-assess.   The Judges are not upholding their lordly status (two discharges and one not guilty).



Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

The Fundamental Freedoms of

  • Conscience and
  • Privacy of Personal Information

have not been upheld by the Courts,  in the Lockheed Martin – Census trials.  In the case of Conscience, two Judges ruled that the connection between the individual’s conscience and the Lockheed Martin contracts is too remote.   They referred to case law.

Madame Justice Mocha of Ontario Provincial Court, Churnin Judgment:

The connection between the administrative requirement and Lockheed Martin is simply too remote . .

From my perspective:

  1. Canadians in large numbers disagreed with the two Judges.
  2. Point of departure:  the Justice system relies primarily on our rational faculty.  A collective of citizens will employ a more wholistic approach;  rational will be tempered by conscience, history, intuition, family life experience, stories …
  3. The Judge in the Audrey Tobias case:

Page 6 (in an entertaining)  R. v. Tobias judgment:

This is an area best left to Parliament and the Provinces, not to the Judiciary.

Judge Khawly creatively found a way to find Audrey “not guilty”.

I note that Parliament is supposed to draw its authority from citizens.

4.   In the end, citizens stood firm.  The Courts nor Parliamentarians defended our Charter Rights.  Citizens did.  Lockheed Martin is out of the Census Operations, Statistics Canada.

It was nothing more than expressions of conscience (a collective conscience) that led to the removal of Lockheed Martin.

The objections came in by the thousands, right from the beginning marked by the letter from the Nova Scotia Quakers (Feb 2004).

The numbers through the ten years were enough to cause StatsCan to act (“scaled back”), and then to act again, until Lockheed is completely out.

At trial the INDIVIDUAL Right to Freedom of Conscience was denied, because the connection between the conscience of the individual and the Lockheed Martin contracts is too remote. … Not so, it is quite intimate.

We are human beings.  We know right from wrong, in spite of the fact that our rational faculty  (that most “fragile” of our faculties) might sometimes forget it.  We have a Charter Right to protect that thing – - conscience – -  which gives us our humanity.

Further to the moral argument:  Canada has an obligation to the International community to uphold the covenants we make with them.  By contracting with a known producer of cluster munitions, illegal under laws championed into being by Canada, Canada is robbed of its moral authority.

The Prosecutor, in the general rebuttal of Stegenga’s claim to protection under the Charter Right to Freedom of Conscience, put forward that Stegenga’s view is “idiosyncratic”.  The word means “peculiar to the individual”.   But Canadians in large numbers hold the view that collaboration with Lockheed Martin is wrong.  Perhaps the idiosyncratic view is that it is right.

More than one in ten households did not comply; i.e.  1.6 million households did not comply with the Census   Lots of those knew nothing about Lockheed Martin.  But thousands upon thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, did know.

The Information below used in the Trial of Eve Stegenga may be of value to others -  the obstacles to be overcome, a few select documents about Lockheed Martin, the Resistance, and the Charter Arguments:

The Trial of (Karen) Eve Stegenga


BEFORE the Trail started, Eve negotiated a Statement of Agreed-Upon Facts with the Prosecutor.  In the end there from four agreed-upon facts  (out of 27 put forward).  The negotiations and the final Statement were contributors to Eve’s final success.


1.  In the Lockheed Martin - Census trials. the Justice Dept routinely claims that Lockheed Martin Canada is a different company from Lockheed Martin USA.  (Hence, the crimes committed by Lockheed Martin cannot be used at trial.)

It was critical to establish the role of Lockheed Martin USA.   It was done with a screen capture of Lockheed Martin’s webpage (below) that says:

Our Census Business Practice successes include . . .  Canada’s 2011 and 2006 Census.

In case you can’t read it:

The Lockheed Martin Census Business Practice team is a premier international provider of integrated census data collection, processing and analysis solutions. Two decades of unmatched experience, resources, methods, systems and commitment ensure that our census solutions are flexible, secure, accurate and cost effective.

Our Census Business Practice successes include the U.S. 2010 and 2000 Census, the United Kingdom’s 2011 and 2001 Census, and Canada’s 2011 and 2006 Census.

 Lockheed Screen Cap2


2.   Eve was successful in getting the Transcript evidence from the Tobias trial (above) accepted as Exhibits for her case (evidence).   She did a nice job of pointing out that the testimony saying “Lockheed Martin is totally out” and the math related to rates of non-compliance (11% actual, not 2%) came from the Director of Census Operations, i.e. from senior management at StatsCan, not just from “a Government employee”.


3.  The Judge accepted copies of the Quakers‘ 2004 letters of objection to Lockheed  Martin’s involvement in the Census (on letterhead)  2004-02-15: Nova Scotia Quakers to Minister Responsible for the census re Lockheed Martin contracts 

Eve drew particular attention to the last sentence, Feb 15th letter:

Our Monthly Meeting will also be sharing this letter with other Friends’ Meetings, as well as the general public.

(You can see the opposition to the contracts for Lockheed Martin spreading across the country from the excellent research and argument that went into this letter from the Nova Scotia Quakers in 2004.   Word got to Ontario – - the trials of Todd Stelmach and Darek Czernewcan.  It reached Saskatchewan – - my trial (Sandra Finley).   Right through to B.C., the trial of (Karen) Eve Stegenga.  Not to mention all the other citizens involved.)


4.   Documents submitted, that didn’t necessarily have to be (they are not evidence in the sense of “facts” that have to be proved.  They are accepted (Legislation).  We submitted a document nonetheless:

International Conventions, Cluster Munitions, Land Mines  (as used in Trial of Eve Stegenga)

Charter Rights & Oakes Test was submitted to the Court, after skimming the Judge’s decision in R v Oakes and determining that the wilipedia description of the Oakes test seems to use most of the exact wording in the judgment, and would be sufficient from a lay person’s perspective.

Eve submitted Stegenga charter arguments.pdf , drawing on documents used in the Churnin trial, doing her best with little time and no training.


5.  Documents viewed by the Court, but not accepted as Exhibits:



a.  Directory of U.S. Military Rockets & Missiles 

Lockheed’s cluster munitions – -   the production of cluster munitions is against Canadian and International Law, so how is it that Lockheed Martin receives Government contracts?

b.   From Lockheed Martin’s U.S. website, LongShot, Cluster Munitions  (I was going to scan and upload my copy here, but it’s information overkill – the preceding establishes that Lockheed Martin produces cluster munitions).

 c.   US: Wages Of Sin – Why Lawbreakers Still Win Government Contracts

by Christopher H. Schmitt, U.S. News & World Report
May 13th, 2002   (very good article)

(Back-up copy)

d.   Project on Government Oversight (POGO) Reports  (2009, 2007, 2003) establish a very clear pattern of Lockheed Martin.  They reinforce the preceding article, Wages of Sin.

POGO, as submitted to Court, please see:


Two-fold.   First,  Eve needed to counter a statement by Justice Mocha in the Churnin case:

Page 6, Line 30:

There is no evidence before me to show that Lockheed Martin is not a trustworthy vendor.

Secondly,  citizens cannot defend themselves against something they don’t understand.

Understand the modus operandi of Lockheed Martin.  They will have brought their ways and means with them to Canada.

The details in POGO’s  The Politics of ContractingLockheed Martin  (at the above link) tell the story.  Headings in the Report:

Money Spent by Lockheed Martin to Influence Decisions and Secure Future Federal Contracts   ///   Senior Government Officials Turned Current and Former Company Executives for Lockheed Martin   ///   (Same, except)  Turned Board Directors for Lockheed   ///   (Same, except)  Turned Registered Company Lobbyists for Lockheed

e.   The Iraq War, Brought to You by Your Friends at Lockheed Martin

f.      The War Business:  Squeezing a Profit from the Wreckage in Iraq   Democracy Now, October 2003.

 (Back-up copy)


The intention here was to give the Court a sense of the widespread resistance to Lockheed Martin’s involvement – - not a compendium, just a smattering.


2008-06-25 Excellent editorial in Kingston Whig Standard, “A matter of conscience”, Trial of Todd Stelmach


Census objectors come in many different forms, Guelph Mercury, July 28, 2010

 Submitted to the Court  (the Guelph Mercury article, with commentary by Darek)

 c.  No charges sought for 35,000 (200,000) natives who ignore census,       Toronto Star, Jan 15, 2008

(NOTE:  By 2010 the number, non-compliance by First Nations, was 200,000 – - see the precding article from the Guelph Mercury)

The Court received a copy of the on-line article – not accepted as an Exhibit.

 d.   Porter:  Why the 2011 census calls for some civil disobedience,  Toronto Star,  May 10, 2011

(Backup copy)

 e.   Census not Bombs  (Example, one of many on-line mobilizations over Lockheed Martin in Census)

f.   Census Alert U.K.  (Resistance in other countries, not just Canada)

Missing from this archive: 2 pages of information on the Canadian Campaign.   They were included in the pages submitted to the Court.

Backup copy(see Item #2. ) 


The Judge asked about some things.  For example,  “It looks as though this one is about the same thing (Lockheed Martin in Census), but in the U.K.  Is that correct?”

She carefully figured out a way to put minimal demands on Eve’s finances.  The Prosecutor asked for (deterrence for the wider public)   $250 fine and community service.  Probably something that came down from upper levels, a direction to her.

Before leaving the Court Room, the Judge commended Eve on her professionalism, the quality of her input, her decorum in Court, and said that the community was very fortunate to have her (Eve).  She also said words to effect that it was uncommon – - refreshing – - to encounter someone with such commitment to values – - it was very good for Eve to leave Court with that.   The Trial, including the numerous attending at Court in the lead-up, was very stressful for Eve, you will know how it is – - defending yourself takes a lot of time.  You are up against people who studied the Law for 3 years and then honed their skills over a career.  The Prosecutor has the Federal Justice Dept to draw from, and is salaried. Eve is self-employed as a yoga teacher, doing reiki, etc.  Trying to find time to figure out which end is up in the Justice system.

In her questioning, the Judge drew out the fact that Eve is self-employed.  She stated a clear understanding of the costs imposed by defending herself against the charge of non-compliance.   (There were 9 occasions when Eve had to present herself at the Court House, over the 8 or 9 months.  She lives a good half-hour away in a smaller community.)   The Judge said that Eve had already paid lots in fines, including lost income as a consequence of having to work on her defence.  All in all,  Eve was fortunate that the particular Judge and the particular Prosecutor were assigned to her Trial.  Both were very considerate,  did their jobs well, under a system that (as the Chief Justice says)  needs to change.  It is not designed to serve the average citizen;  it is not affordable to defend yourself against the forces of the Justice Dept.  Most people capitulate to the coercion, in recognition that they stand little chance in Court, even though their case might be one of innocence and merit.

 Posted by at 5:15 pm
Jul 202014

Evidence is from the transcript of the testimony of

Yves Beland, Director of Census Operations at Statistics Canada, in the

Trial of Audrey Tobias, Toronto, October 2013


Non-compliance with the Census grew to 11% by the 2011 Census.

1.6 million households did not comply

out of 14.6

StatsCan reported this as a 2% non-compliance rate when in fact it’s 11%.

Not all of the increase was due to growing awareness of Lockheed Martin’s involvement, but ENOUGH of it that the Government had to end Lockheed Martin’s involvement.   See   2014-07-17 Transcript, Tobias trial establishes Lockheed Martin is OUT 


The following was accepted as an Exhibit in the Stegenga Trial, July 2014


8   Q   Oh sorry, 14.6 million dwelling addresses that were ultimately identified?

A.   Yes.

Q.   And so 14.6 million requests were made . . .

A.   Yes.

Q. . . . for completion of the form?

A.   Yes.

Q.   Okay.

A.   We received a little bit over 13 million completed questionaries for 98 per cent response rate.

- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -

1.6 million questionnaires were not returned

1.6 out of 14.6 million = 11%



 Posted by at 1:15 pm
Jul 202014




Toronto, October 2013




Exactly. We descope as soon as we heard those concerns. We took the matter very seriously and we descoped their (Lockheed Martin’s) mandate right away.    Details down below.

On the NUMBERS, see  StatsCan math is wrong.  The information is also from the Tobias Transcript.  Non-compliance grew to 11%, not 2%, the figure used by StatsCan.

The Crown (StatsCan and the Justice Dept) need to answer the question:

WHY the continued prosecution of citizens who object to Lockheed Martin’s involvement, when StatsCan has taken steps to remove Lockheed Martin completely?

RE:  Trial of (Karen) Eve Segenga,  Powell River BC, July 2014:

the Judge gave Eve a conditional discharge.  The Transcript information was an Exhibit in the Trial.










On October 3rd, 2013, at Toronto, Ontario


The testimony of the StatsCan witness Yves Beland, Director of Census Operations Division, tells

  • they were getting resistance to Lockheed Martin’s involvement from the beginning (2004) during the development period.
  • StatsCan reacted by “scaling back” substantially on the Lockheed contract, for the 2006 Census.
  • StatsCan cut again, down to $20 million for the 2011 Census.
  • (Resistance continued, as documented elsewhere.)
  • Lockheed will be completely out of it by the next census (2016).


As far as I know, Canadians have not been told this. The source is the transcript of the testimony under oath by Yves Beland, Director of Census Operations, witness in the Tobias trial.

So, no more contracts for Lockheed Martin, BUT REGARDLESS, StatsCan and the Justice Dept proceed with the prosecution of Eve Stegenga (and Audrey Tobias and Janet Churnin) who objected to Lockheed’s involvement.

PAGE 26:

10  A. Lockheed was awarded the contract in 2008.

Q. Okay. And what was the amount of the contract?

A. For the 2011 census, Statistic Canada took over a lot of the responsibilities that Lockheed had in the 2006, so the total amount for the 2011 contract was 20 million dollars.

Q. Okay. And so you said then that they were also awarded a contract for the 2006 census?

20   A. Yes, correct.

Q. Okay. And that it was scaled back in the 2011 census?

A. Okay. Yes, it was scaled back …

Q. All right.

25  A. … 2011 census.

Q. All right. Can you … maybe we’ll talk first then about the 2006 census.

A. Okay.

Q. Can you tell us what the role was in

30  that census?

A. So their initial role was to … was much larger than what they ended up doing up at the

Page 27:

end, and I’ll get through that, but their initial role was to build the census processing system. So giving us the … a solution to handle and combine information coming from paper, internet and telephone, altogether.

5 So they basically built the census population system from scratch.

In addition to that, they … they handled the printing contract and they handled specific

10 IT solution contract as well. But initially they were suppose to … they were suppose to acquire the space to do the processing of the paper questionnaire. They were suppose to equip and fit that space to conduct the processing system. They were suppose to hire the human

15 resources to actually do the work during the processing activity. And they were providing the management aspect of those activities. The four items I just mentioned, they did not do it. In 2004, because of some … some Canadians including members of the 20 parliament, they were concerned regarding the Patriot Act and then they … their concern was were not … were not true. But it was perceived that the US government, through the Patriot Act, could access confidential information provided by Canadians that

25 would … that would be collected using the Lockheed Martin system.

Q. So what you’re saying then is to alleviate those concerns, Lockheed Martins role for the

2006 census was limited?

30 A. Exactly. We descope as soon as we heard those concerns. We took the matter very seriously and we descoped their mandate right away.


10… that was part of the deal with Lockheed that they would build it. They would do a little bit less in 2011 and they’re out of the picture totally for the next one. So Stat Can has taken over the entire maintenance and setting up of the census processing system.

 Posted by at 1:02 pm