2014-06-23 Democracy in action, Principle Free Speech. Salman Rushdie. Ashu’s behavior a breach.

From: Larry Waldinger [mailto:lwaldinger@gmail.com] Sent: June 23, 2014 2:53 PM To: Sandra Finley <sabest1@sasktel.net> Subject: Re: Revised Permanent Peace Agreement Ashu Solo

Sandra:

I was not going to respond, but your words: “REQUIRED:  an undertaking by Ashu to conduct himself appropriately vis-a-vis other people.” seem to suggest that you are still open to a possible understanding if Ashu can “conduct himself appropriately”. I have to go to work soon so I will forward an undertaking from Ashu before I go. I apologize if I misunderstood.

Larry

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Sandra Finley  wrote:

It is not a peace agreement between me and Ashu.

I do not need any kind of agreement with him.  I simply do not engage with people who are disrespectful, who lie, who attempt to intimidate and coerce other people.

The point seems to have been missed:  what I do, I do not do on my own behalf.  I have the wherewithal to neutralize the effects of Ashu Solo in my life.   SOME OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT.

REQUIRED:  an undertaking by Ashu to conduct himself appropriately vis-a-vis other people.

Perhaps this will make clear the PRINCIPLE at play here:

In democracy, there is no fear in speaking or publishing truthful and respectful thoughts.

I, nor anyone else, should be intimidated by how Ashu might react.   He robs me of the freedom accorded citizens in a democracy if I succumb out of fear of what he might do.

It is the responsibility of citizens in a democracy to understand and to defend the principles of democracy in action.   Many people before us have fought hard and died, to establish the principles.

I am reminded of the (secular Muslim – – like Ashu – –  and author) Salman Rushdie’s nine years under Islamist fatwa (a call to murder Rushdie by the Ayatollah, because of a novel he wrote).   Rushdie (and a very small, international group of authors, journalists and book publishers)  refused to have their freedom taken by religious and political leaders.

Atheism (Ashu) is one among many religious beliefs (religion is no more than man’s interpretation of the life energy).     In Ashu’s case,  as in the case of the particular Ayotollahs,  the religious belief is not a justification for behaviour that is outside the law, or that attempts to limit the freedom of others.

The actions of Rushdie and his supporters arose out of one small principle, that of defending freedom of the individual.   The freedom to say, write and publish, even that which might be critical of the religion and its leaders.  (Of course, there are responsibilities and limits to the freedom.)  The threat to Rushdie’s life (and family) from Islamist zealots was real, and only because the Islamists did not like legitimate criticism.

It seems so obvious and fundamental that the principle must be defended if we wish to preserve it.  In the practical world it is often easier and more comfortable to try and ignore those who would bully others into submission.

The difficulties with Ashu began over his bullying and intimidation of a young woman who disagreed with some of his statements.   He used Green Party social media in his attacks.    When I forwarded the complaint about him, he turned and directed his tactics against me.   It is the Rushdie story carried out, but in miniature.  Ashu will likely appreciate the irony.

Sandra

From: Larry Waldinger  Sent: June-23-14 8:23 AM To: Sandra Finley Subject: Fwd: Revised Permanent Peace Agreement

Sandra:

I will suggest to you from ME as a friend that it is probably a good idea to cool off and conclude this revised agreement and get things tucked away for good.

As you can see below Ashu has already revised the agreement to take out whatever he thinks was objectionable to you.

I apologize if I have overstepped, and I am confident that this will be the last you hear of it from me.

Larry

———- Forwarded message ———- From: Ashu M. G. Solo <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us> Date: Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:59 AM Subject: Revised Permanent Peace Agreement To: Larry Waldinger

Larry, you can give Sandra Finley this entire email.

To have a permanent peace in all ways between Sandra Finley and I, Sandra Finley and I should agree to the following permanent peace agreement, which shall remain confidential forever and guarantee peace between us forever:

PERMANENT PEACE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ASHU SOLO AND SANDRA FINLEY

Ashu Solo agrees to the following:

1. He will cease emailing members of the Green Party of Canada about Sandra Finley.
2. He will cease emailing members of the Green Party of Saskatchewan about Sandra Finley. 3. He will not email members of other Green Parties about Sandra Finley.
3. He will cease phoning members of the Green Party of Canada about Sandra Finley.
4. He will cease phoning members of the Green Party of Saskatchewan about Sandra Finley.
5. He will not phone members of other Green Parties about Sandra Finley.
6. He will not attend future meetings of the Saskatoon-Humboldt Federal Green Party Association.
7. He will not attend future meetings of any electoral district association for the Green Party of Canada. 9. He will not seek to be a Green Party of Canada candidate for the House of Commons.
8. He will not seek to be a Green Party of Saskatchewan candidate for the Saskatchewan Legislative Assembly.
9. He will not seek to be a candidate for any Green Party for any legislative body.
10. He will not seek to be a candidate for any party for the House of Commons.
11. He will not seek to be a candidate for any party for the Saskatchewan Legislative Assembly.
12. He will not seek to be a candidate for any party for any Canadian legislative body.
13. He will not reactivate my membership in the Green Party of Canada.
14. He will not make blogs about Sandra Finley.
15. He will not make blog postings about Sandra Finley.
16. He will not make Facebook postings about Sandra Finley.
17. He will not make online postings about Sandra Finley.
18. He will not provide material about Sandra Finley to Crocels News.
19. He will not provide material about Sandra Finley to other media outlets.
20. He will not communicate with members of Sandra Finley’s family.
21. He will not communicate with relatives of Sandra Finley.
22. He will not take my civil rights case about Christmas messages on buses to the Court of Queen’s Bench or any other court.
23. He will drop the criminal harassment complaint filed last night against Sandra Finley.
24. He will drop the criminal complaint for communicating false messages filed last night against Sandra Finley.
25. He will not file further criminal complaints against Sandra Finley.
26. He will drop his 10 ethics complaints made against Sandra Finley with the Green Party of Canada.
27. He will drop his 10 ethics complaints made against Sandra Finley with the Green Party of Saskatchewan in case she attempts to rejoin.
28. He will not file further ethics complaints against Sandra Finley with the Green Party of Canada.
29. He will not file further ethics complaints against Sandra Finley with the Green Party of Saskatchewan in case she attempts to rejoin.
30. He will keep the terms of this agreement confidential.

 

Sandra Finley agrees to the following:

 

1. She will immediately delete all her references to who my family is, name changes, my family’s name, and my family’s address and contact information.  This includes deleting all such references from http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11617 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11500 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11496 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11707 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11759 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=12139 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11810 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11520 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11684 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11596 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11775 and http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=12743
2. She will immediately password protect or delete all blog posts about me and not give people access to these blog posts in the future.  The blog posts about me have defamatory references to her, Daeran, Vicki, Penny, Lynn, Lois, Larry, Meena, the Green Party of Canada, Zimmerman, and others.
3. She will not defame me in the future or talk about my family in the future.
4. She will keep the terms of this agreement confidential.

 

Instead of stipulations #1 and #2 for Sandra Finley above, she could just unpublish all of the blog posts about me so that they aren’t accessible to people by password or without password.  This would save her time.

I would be fully committed to keeping this permanent peace agreement and I hope Sandra Finley would be too.  We both have INFINITELY more productive and useful things to be doing.  We could be moving the world forward instead.

Ashu M. G. Solo

 

From: Larry Waldinger

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:25 PM

To: Ashu M. G. Solo

Subject: Sandra

From Sandra:

Re Ashu:

–  he can email you with what he proposes his undertaking will be

–          You can forward his email to me.

–          If it satisfies, I will remove from  http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=11496   all that refers to the co-authored paper with his father, that includes his father’s contact info.

Please be advised:

–          I am not willing to have more of my time taken up by Ashu

–          There will be no “Negotiations”.