Sandra Finley

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TITLE: Ashu Solo, emails sent December 12 to 15

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December 12, 2013 7:19 AM I strongly believe

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:19 AM

To: Marlene Wells; Mark Bigland-Pritchard; ‘Vicki Strelioff’; ‘Larry Waldinger’; ‘Victor Lau’; ‘Patricia Farnese’

Subject: One last thing RE: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

I strongly believe that this matter will never end. Cyberbully Tonia Zimmerman will keep generating new lies about me like she has been for the past year. Why would cyberharasser Zimmerman stop now that she has the ear and support of the foolish and gullible Sandra Finley? Sandra will keep sending the lies to all of you and embellish them in her efforts to bring me down.

What will be the next lie? Will they claim that I’m really a conservative? Will they claim that I eat children? Will they claim that I never finished high school?

I think the only way it will end is to file a civil claim against Zimmerman, Elvin Lau, and Sandra.

I haven’t copied Sandra on these emails because I strongly believe that she will just respond with even more lies and thus defame me further. I warned her before about making libelous statements and she still made them.

I attempted to arrange a three-way phone call with Larry, myself, and Sandra to sort out the lies once and for all in a polite way and put an end to Sandra’s libelous statements against me, but Sandra refused to talk to me. She’s happy to hear cyberbully Zimmerman’s lies and share them with everyone she can, but doesn’t want to hear my side of the story, which is the truthful side of the story. Sandra claims she doesn’t have time to talk to me. Lack of time is Sandra’s standard excuse when she doesn’t want to do something. She doesn’t work. It would have taken five minutes to talk to me. She had plenty of time to hear Zimmerman’s lies and share them with all of you in her efforts to bring me down.

The other ethical thing for Sandra to have done would have been to send the lies only to people who have authority to take action against me like Victor instead of all of you. I hold no position with the Green Party of Canada. The only position I hold is with Green Party of Saskatchewan, so only Victor has authority to take action against me. He has investigated the lies and even talked to one of the trolls. Zimmerman’s defamation assistant, Elvin Lau, contacted Victor before Sandra emailed you and told Victor that he has information that can neutralize me. Victor called him on his bluff and asked for this information. Elvin told him that he could expect a phone call later that day with the information against me. That was last week and he still never received a phone call.

The other reason Sandra is trying to bring me down is because I don’t do what she wants. I get my marching orders from my conscience, which is a heckuva lot more moral than any religion or the law or Sandra.

Ashu

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December 12, 2013 7:46 AM I warned you before

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:46 AM

To: Sandra Finley

Subject: Libelous statements by Sandra Finley

Sandra,

I warned you before about making libelous statements against me. Now I swear I’m going to sue you for libel and slander. You told a bunch of Greens that I did all kinds of things I didn’t do. Tonia Zimmerman has been harassing the hell out of me for about a year and spreading all kinds of lies about me for about a year. You’ve been scammed into believing her lies and added to her lies. SHE HAS BEEN HARASSING ME BECAUSE SHE IS A STRONG OPPONENT OF MY CIVIL RIGHTS CASES. You had plenty of time to hear Zimmerman’s lies and share them with my friends, but not the time to hear the truth from me. Zimmerman is not a dedicated Green like you’ve been scammed into believing. I am preparing civil claims for $1 million against Zimmerman and you. Don’t think that you can get away with making libelous statements against me because I’m not a lawyer. I’m smarter than any lawyer. When I get a judgment against you in court, the deputy sheriff will seize any assets and property that you own. Cease and desist lying about me or it will increase the amount of judgment that I get against you. Feel free to share this email with anyone you want.

Ashu

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December 12 2013 13:29 (1:29 PM) I would appreciate if you all

On 2013:12:12 13:29, Ashu M. G. Solo wrote:

I would appreciate if you all keep these lies to yourselves and not share them with other people, so my reputation isn’t unjustly harmed with even more people who won’t even hear my side of the story.

Sharing unverified lies about someone is morally equivalent to sharing intimate images of someone, which the Conservatives want to ban.

Ashu

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December 12, 2013 5:46 PM From Mark I can assure you

From: Mark Bigland-Pritchard / Low Energy Design Ltd [mailto:mark@lowenergydesign.com]

Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:46 PM

To: amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us; Marlene Wells; ‘Vicki Strelioff’; ‘Larry Waldinger’; ‘Victor Lau’; ‘Patricia Farnese’

Subject: Re: One last thing RE: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

I can assure you that I am not talking about this with anyone outside our circle, Ashu, and I will not do so. (In fact, I’m not actually sure how I came to be included in this correspondence.) I just hope that the investigation process will be quick, and that you will be fully exonerated. But that process is necessary, it needs to hear both from you and from your accusers, and it needs to see whatever evidence is available on both sides.

And then, Ashu if you continue to attact this sort of negative attention and intend to continue to play a role in the party, the party will need to hear from you of every new development of this type. Part of the difficulty this time is that one of your accusers went to Sandra with accusations before anyone had heard anything from you.

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December 12, 2013 11:59 PM Sandra, I need your

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:59 PM

To: Sandra Finley

Subject: RE: Libelous statements by Sandra Finley

Sandra, I need your current address to serve you with a civil claim for libel and slander. If you don’t respond to this email message, I’ll tell the court that you are evading service. Once I get a judgment against you, the sheriff’s office will seize your house in Saskatoon. You’re going to have to answer to the lies against me in court in Saskatoon. I know you’ve been looking for dirt on me. I’ve seen you visiting my Web sites after we had a little argument. You couldn’t find any dirt, so now you’re using Zimmerman’s lies and adding to them. Your smear campaign will not succeed. You know Zimmerman’s statements are lies and you know I have no position with GPC, but you sent the lies to all kinds of people who have no authority to take any action against me in a malicious attempt to harm my reputation. I know about the purge of GPS members that you did. I know how you kept a member of the military reserve from being a GPS nominee. Most people will accept lies being spread about them, but I won’t. I swear I’m going to sue you and Zimmerman. If you really believe Zimmerman that I didn’t serve in the military or that I’m bald, there’s something seriously wrong with you. Feel free to share this email with anyone you want.

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December 13, 2013 12:11 AM (00:11 AM midnite) Why would I harass

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:11 AM

To: Sandra Finley

Subject: RE: ‘RE: Libelous statements by Sandra Finley

Why would I harass someone I don’t even know or care to know out of the blue? I don’t hang around stupid bigots like Zimmerman. I hang around people who I can work with in engineering or entrepreneurship or activism. I have no interest in wasting my time associating with bigots and malicious liars like Zimmerman.

Why haven’t the especially obvious lies by Zimmerman like that I never served in the military or that I’m bald made you realize that she’s nothing but a liar? Wake up. Wake the heck up.

You have no professionalism or ethics. If you did, you wouldn’t have added to the lies of Zimmerman, you wouldn’t have sent them to so many people who have no authority to take action against me, you would have got my side of the story, etc. Now you’re going to get sued by me.

You have no clue how to run a political organization or a political campaign. All you do is stir up trouble in the Green Party and drag it down. You’re the worst strategist in the world.

Feel free to share this email message with anyone you want.

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December 13 2013 08:12 AM, I hold no position (resigns GPC membership)

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:12 AM

To: Mark Bigland-Pritchard; Marlene Wells; ‘Vicki Strelioff’; ‘Larry Waldinger’; ‘Victor Lau’; ‘Patricia Farnese’

Subject: RE: One last thing RE: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

I hold no position with the Green Party of Canada, so I don’t see a need to do an investigation on me. There’s something majorly wrong with the GPC if a troll can make up some wild lies without any evidence and the party wastes its time investigating me.

If Sandra, Zimmerman, or Elvin Lau showed up at the police station without any evidence, the police would tell them to get out of there after five minutes. And the Green Party of Canada should tell Sandra, Zimmerman, and Elvin Lau to stop bothering them when they haven’t provided any evidence and can’t provide any evidence. If Sandra, Zimmerman, or Elvin Lau took their lies to the police, they would get criminally charged for making a false police report. And the Green Party of Canada and Green Party of Saskatchewan should throw Sandra out of the party for lying about me and committing defamatory libel against me. It looks like Sandra added to Zimmerman’s lies by claiming to see email exchanges and other material I supposedly wrote unless Zimmerman fabricated this stuff herself. These people got nothing better to do with their lives and time.

I’m sure Sandra, Zimmerman, and Elvin Lau are really excited about a chance to have me investigated based on lies. What I don’t like about an investigation is the lies will be spread to many more people who will tell many more people who will tell many more people and so on. Zimmerman, Elvin Lau, and Sandra will enjoy that. Also, the investigation committee could be composed of bigots against males who will believe whatever lies are told to them by females. Zimmerman, Elvin Lau, and Sandra will enjoy this whole process. It sounds like Sandra is already excited about it.

I’m not gonna waste anymore time on this nonsense. I would rather resign my GPC membership than participate in an investigation of me when I’ve done nothing wrong at all and there is absolutely no evidence that I’ve done anything wrong other than lies from trolls.

THEREFORE, I HEREBY RESIGN MY MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF CANADA.

Sandra won’t give me her current address to serve her with a civil claim for libel and slander, so I’ll have to get an order of substitutional service against her.

Somebody who so recklessly commits defamatory libel against someone like Sandra did against me has no business in the party. Someone who so recklessly commits defamatory libel obviously has little understanding of the law and therefore had no business as a GPC or GPS nominee, EDA CEO, or GPS leader. I’m going to make an ethics complaint against Sandra. She can be investigated.

Zimmerman, Elvin Lau, and Sandra aren’t the only ones who have spread lies about me. There are two other individuals who have done so. I’m currently suing one through a lawyer (the trial is next month) in the U.S. and I made a criminal complaint against the other and will sue the other. People get jealous of success and try to bring the person down. All of these liars have nothing to do with their time but try to cause trouble for and bring down successful people. They’ll never bring me down to their level.

Ashu

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December 14, 2013 1:41 AM Sandra, I need your

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 1:41 AM

To: Sandra Finley

Subject: RE: RE: RE: Libelous statements by Sandra Finley

Sandra, I need your current address to have a deputy sheriff serve you with a civil claim for libel and slander. Do I need to get an order of substitutional service against you?

Somebody who so recklessly commits defamatory libel against someone like you did against me has no business in the party. Someone who so recklessly commits defamatory libel obviously has little understanding of the law and therefore had no business as a GPC or GPS nominee, EDA CEO, or GPS leader. I’m going to make an ethics complaint against you. You can be investigated.

You have committed the crime of defamatory libel. Defamatory libel is a crime under the Criminal Code of Canada:

Defamatory Libel

Marginal note:Definition

• 298. (1) A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published.

• Marginal note:Mode of expression (2) A defamatory libel may be expressed directly or by insinuation or irony o (a) in words legibly marked on any substance; or o (b) by any object signifying a defamatory libel otherwise than by words.

• R.S., c. C-34, s. 262.

Marginal note:Publishing

299. A person publishes a libel when he • (a) exhibits it in public; •

(b) causes it to be read or seen; or • (c) shows or delivers it, or causes it to be shown or delivered, with intent that it should be read or seen by the person whom it defames or by any other person.

• R.S., c. C-34, s. 263.

Marginal note:Punishment of libel known to be false

300. Every one who publishes a defamatory libel that he knows is false is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

• R.S., c. C-34, s. 264.

I hold no position with the GPC and am not a GPC member, so they can’t even investigate me and they wouldn’t find anything if they did.

I see that you’re friends with Zimmerman on Facebook, even after I told you that she was spreading lies about me. That really shows what kind of person you are and what kind of slimebags you associate with.

Zimmerman was spreading lies about me, contacting media with the lies, contacting active Greens with the lies, and finding what Facebook groups I had commented in and posting comments with disparaging comments about my appearance.

In your world, a female complaining about a male is always in the right and the male is always in the wrong. This isn’t feminism. This is bigotry against males. Feminism is equity for women.

Feel free to forward this email to anyone you want.

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December 14, 2013; 1:18 PM From Larry to group, I immediately responded to Sandra’s accusations

From: Larry Waldinger

Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 1:18 PM

To: Marlene Wells; Patricia Farnese; Victor Becker Lau; Vicki Strelioff; Mark Bigland-Pritchard

Subject: Sandra Finley’s Complaint Against Ashu Solo

I immediately responded to Sandra’s accusations about Ashu Solo with an email sent directly and privately to her. Then I got sick. I was sick most of last week. I have read all of Ashu’s email replies by now, and now I want to communicate with the rest of you. I thought simply forwarding to you what I wrote to Sandra would capture my feelings about the situation, so here it is:

“Sandra:

I bet you are talking about Tonia Zimmerman. I would tend to believe what Ashu says about her rather than what she has to say about Ashu. Tonia made similar complaints to Patricia Farnese.

I have read literally hundreds of blistering comments online about Ashu coming from so called Christians, so I am not surprised to hear about lies spread about him. I have seen racist comments online from my fellow bus drivers in response to Ashu’s complaint about the Merry Christmas signs on buses. I received my own threat too simply for openly agreeing with Ashu at work. Even though the coverage and backlash I have received is a tiny fraction of what Ashu is receiving I felt very uncomfortable about it.

Here is something Ashu wrote about Tonia recently in an email to Patricia Farnese:

“Tonia Zimmerman is harassing the hell out of me. She was following me around in different Facebook groups and saying how ugly I am and posting lies in different news articles about me saying I threatened her and sent sexual messages to her. The StarPhoenix deleted most of her lies. Why would I send sexual messages to someone I hate? I’m not a pervert. If I threatened her, she should go to the cops.”

If it is not Tonia you are talking about, Sandra I would still be skeptical. Many people have spread lies about Ashu, and he has been physically assaulted too. If Ashu is encouraging a critic to report him to the police it would appear that he has nothing to hide.

I did not tell Ashu about this email or your concern over this complaint you received. Perhaps you should forward the complaints you are receiving to the authorities. Supposedly cyber-bullying is taken more seriously now by law enforcement. (It appears that cyber-bullying legislation has been used to strengthen police powers and only give the appearance that the Conservative government cares about the issue.) I don’t think Ashu has any fear of being investigated. I believe he is the victim of bullying.

I just had a look at Tonia’s Facebook page, and here is something she wrote about Ashu on March 15: “Bald? Check. Fat? Check. Virgin? Probably.” That doesn’t sound like the words of an innocent victim.

Regards,

Larry”

If anyone has any additional comments, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Larry

PS: How about that new Green MP! Wuhoooo!

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Dec 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Larry to Kaitlyn and Daeran, copy Finley complaint re Ashu

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Larry Waldinger wrote:

Kaitlyn and Daeran:

I think this forwarded email is something you should be aware of if you are not already. Next, I will forward to you a comment I sent to the other people who received this email.

Larry

> ———- Forwarded message ———-

> From: Sandra Finley

> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

> Subject: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo . . . . etc.

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December-15-13 5:23 AM Your obvious smear
From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]
Sent: December-15-13 5:23 AM
To: Sandra Finley
Subject: RE: Sandra’s Smear Campaign

Your obvious smear campaign against me has caused you to totally lose credibility and support of Saskatoon Greens. And now you’re going to be sued and get an ethics complaint against you too.

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DECEMBER 15, 2013: 07:05 AM The fact that Sandra remains friends

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:05 AM

To: ‘Larry Waldinger’; ‘Marlene Wells’; ‘Patricia Farnese’; ‘Victor Becker Lau’; Kaitlyn Harvey

Subject: RE: Sandra Finley’s Complaint Against Ashu Solo

The fact that Sandra remains friends on Facebook with Zimmerman after Larry pointed out the disgusting insults she made against me really shows what kind of slimebags she’s willing to associate with to have a smear campaign against me.

There was a GPS member who said that he couldn’t represent the party without the support of his wife. Sandra didn’t like this GPS member, so she allegedly twisted that statement into the GPS member will get divorced if he represents the party. Sandra allegedly told this to many people. This is the kind of negative attacks based on lies that I think all of us including myself would strongly oppose.

In a similar manner, i strongly believe that Sandra added to Zimmerman’s lies about me.

I know you’re all friends with Sandra, but I think this has to be said. I think she can be charming on the surface, but very underhanded and malicious in her tactics when someone doesn’t agree with her or when she thinks someone isn’t good for the party.

I’m preparing an ethics complaint against Sandra for many alleged ethics violations.

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December 15, 2013 7:19 AM I’m going to get

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:19 AM

To: Sandra Finley

Subject: Sandra’s Smear Campaign

I’m going to get an order of substitutional service against you.

I heard about how Vic said that he couldn’t be the party leader without the support of his wife. You twisted that statement into he’ll get divorced if he becomes the leader and you told that statement to many people.

And you told Larry that I go for the jugular? I don’t spread lies about people like you do. You added to Zimmerman’s lies about me.

You claim I’m fiddling while Rome burns. What have you ever accomplished with your more important causes? You’ve never accomplished anything. You haven’t even made a dent in the issues you take on. You’ve organized protests, but they’ve never resulted in anything. You’ve never accomplished anything of significance in your life and are therefore unfit to be a party nominee or leader. Bloggers like you are people whose writing isn’t important enough or good enough to get published.

I’ve got a list of many ethics violations by you now and I’m preparing a long ethics complaint against you to be submitted to GPC, GPS, and the Green Party of B.C.

When you left Saskatoon, I saw that many provincial and federal Greens were relieved. They all think that you’re bad for the party and they’re right.

You can be nice on the surface, but extremely underhanded and malicious against people who you think are bad for the party or who don’t see eye to eye with you. Look in the mirror.

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I started looking at the question – but WHY did Ashu come after me as he did, at the Airport?

I had passed it off as just something that he does. I had forwarded Tonia Zimmerman’s complaint to the Green Party. Ashu didn’t like that; he went after me.

It really wasn’t until AFTER I sent the email to you that DING DONG! The light went FULLY on.

IMPORTANT NOTE: this is my attempt to understand what happened. I could be totally wrong. And alas! I don’t trust Ashu’s word enough to ask him what went down!

You would not know: I knew absolutely nothing about the John Gormley email thread until January 6th. The Airport incident was on December 28.

I think the story goes along these lines:

– Dec 4: Gormley puts the fear into Ashu – – Gormley will “out” him on-air.

– Gormley sends the email to Tonia for her to use, in case Ashu should resume the attacks on her.

– It’s not clear to me whether Ashu knew for certain that Gormley sent information to Tonia.

– In the same period, Tonia approached me – a little twist of fate. I’d like to think that I’d take any complaint seriously, but there was more: I was part of the little group that undertook the vetting process of Ashu. I knew enough to take a complaint seriously.

– I put the complaint forward.

– Ashu starts the attacks on me.

– I thought it’s just because I forwarded the complaint. He didn’t like it.

– Tonia expressed more than once her apologies: she had not intended that by bringing the complaint to me, that I would then come under the gun.

– And then the crazy thing at the airport. “You gave my Father’s name to Tonia Zimmerman!” and “You lied: you don’t have Tonia Zimmermans’ information!”. At the time I thought they were kind of bizarre accusations.

– As mentioned, at this point I knew NOTHING about John Gormley’s involvement.

– At this same time, Ashu renewed his attacks on Tonia. Why?

– The answer: She had called Ashu’s Father, asking him to please do what he could to convince Ashu to stop.

. . . what would YOU do? Just look at it. I can speak first-hand (the list of attack emails on me) without even mentioning what he had been doing to Zimmerman. Highly offensive.

– Ashu is quite good at manipulating people, which means he is good at reading them.

– Keeping in mind that the guy has to be pretty desperate to phone people at 5:00AM and then come to the Airport at 6:00. There HAD to be a GOOD REASON for him to do that. I think the Airport event may have occurred because of this:

Also: take a look at his activity (emails – December 28) in the hours leading up to the Airport.

– Ashu was desperate to know if I had received a copy of the John Gormley thread.

– His way of silencing people is to discredit them so others won’t believe them, and of course, instilling fear so they won’t say anything.

My guess is that if you come on someone suddenly, and in the attack mode, you can get a more accurate read of them. “You gave my Father’s name to Tonia Zimmerman!”. I replied, “What are you talking about?”.

He repeats the accusation, but gets nothing from me – – except that he probably concluded “No, it’s not Sandra that gave the information to Tonia. Who did? Damn! Gormley gave what he knows to Tonia. Zimmerman got my Father’s name from Gormley! Along with what else? Panic.

(I think Ashu made a mistake, there was another possibility: Tonia figured out who his Father was, months before. But, to her credit she did not use the information, even though Ashu was merciless in his attacks on her. She had tried everything. Now, on top of it all – – I had been dragged in, for which she felt badly . . . finally, she went to Ashu’s Father as a last resort. Which effort only brought about a renewal of attacks on her by Ashu.

The TIMING of Tonia’s approach to Madan Gupta (Ashu’s Father) led Ashu to think that if it was not me who gave his Father’s name to Tonia, it was Gormley. (A wrong conclusion: in reality Tonia had had the information for months, found it the same way as other people, by using the internet – google searches.))

Now Ashu needs to know whether Tonia has the John Gormley email thread, and whether I have it. So he goes after me with “You lied. You do not have Tonia Zimmerman’s information!”

Which I thought was a crazy statement, but I just replied “I don’t tell lies Ashu.” (etc., to the point where the attendant started to call Airport Security and Ashu left.)

From my perspective, I HAD the information from Zimmerman . What I did not know is that I didn’t have ALL of it. As I say, not until January 6th when Tonia gave me the Gormley email thread with Ashu.

John Gormley did a great job. (I phoned and emailed with John and his producer to confirm the authenticity of the email thread.)

I think that, in my case, the onslaught from Ashu was motivated by Ashu’s fear that if the Gormley email thread gets out, his goose is cooked. The problem for Ashu was that he couldn’t be sure who had it. With my laying of Complaint #2 (January 9) he knew I had it. He concocted another lie – – he said he had come to the Airport to serve his “demand letter” on me, of which there was not one mention when he came after me at the Airport.

But even when I submitted Complaint #2, I did not make the connection: aaah! That’s why Ashu did the Airport thing. He was more or less desperate to know whether I had the Gormley info. He had to find out without tipping me off . . . it might be that Finley doesn’t know, so you have to be careful.

It was best at that time, that I DIDN’T know. My response to him would have been different.

It seems simple now, and silly that I didn’t understand the role of the email thread, until today (January 15).

I am not sure that Tonia understands the power in that card she was given (the email thread sent to her by John Gormley). But then, in a game of cards, the potential of the card is realized only if specific other cards are played at the right time and in the right order.

I repeat the reminder: this is my attempt to make sense of Ashu’s behaviour. I could be completely wrong.

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14. Ballantyne (Limitations)

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Dec 172012

2012-12-17 STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS and potential civil litigation, Laliberte vs McKercher and Laliberte vs Liberal Party

A. ACTION

Based on

the view presented below that the limitation period ends in January 2014
the expectation that the filing process will take 6 months, well into summer 2013,

decision taken, Dec 19, 2012: we need to start the process now, to file documents with the Court to start the legal action against both McKercher and the Liberal Party.

B. WHEN DOES THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS BEGIN AND END FOR GEORGE LALIBERTE TO INITIATE CIVIL LITIGATION?

There is a synopsis of the Act on Sask Justice website.

Using only that, without reference to court cases that might have established further interpretations, and using lay person’s analysis, there is a strong case (below) to say

the two-year limitation period commenced in January 2012 when George received the calls from the reporters about the $5000 award against him.
it applies to possible civil litigation regarding BOTH McKercher AND the Liberal Party.

QUESTION NOT YET ANSWERED: Are there any other considerations that would affect the determination of when the Statute of Limitations commenced in relation to the Liberal Party? If not, as presented below, it seems relatively straight forward: for both McKercher and the Liberal Party, the Limitation period started ticking in January 2012.

George began his efforts seeking redress by February 2012, with a visit to the Court House to obtain information.

Any feedback on the following (first the synopsis and then the line of argument), will be sincerely appreciated. What is missing? It looks a little too simple!

SYNOPSIS OF THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FROM SASK JUSTICE WEBSITE:

http://www.justice.gov.sk.ca/Limitations-Act

EXCERPT:

. . . Ideally a limitation statute should include as few limitation periods as possible. This contributes to clarity and predictability for the parties. Most of the limitation periods in other statutes were eliminated when The Limitations Act came into force. (INSERT: it came into force in 2005)

The new Act clarifies and rationalizes limitation periods for legal actions. It provides a standard two year limitation period for civil legal actions. The two year period for actions starts to run when the person bringing the action first knew, or ought to have known, that:

the injury had occurred;
was attributable to the defendant’s conduct; and
warranted bringing a proceeding.

This is referred to as the discoverability principle.

The new legislation includes an ultimate limitation period that bars all actions after 15 years after the events that gave rise to the action. This prevents an action being postponed for an indeterminate time due to the discoverability principle.

The legislation includes provisions for special circumstances. It retains Saskatchewan=s current provision postponing the running of a limitation period for minors or mentally disabled persons who are not represented by a personal or property guardian. It provides that where a defendant fraudulently conceals the fact that injury occurred, the ultimate limitation period is suspended. In addition, it includes a provision that allows parties to contractually extend the limitation period.

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AS APPLIED TO GEORGE’S CIRCUMSTANCES

VIS-A-VIS MCKERCHER

The limitation period started to run in January 2012.

George first knew that injury occurred when reporters phoned him in January 2012 to inquire about the $5000 award to Vellacott against George.

There may be a question of whether the “legal action” has commenced with George’s submission to the Law Society (not the same as a submission to the Courts). But the answer will not matter as long as George files litigation papers with the Courts in advance of January 2014. At this point there is no danger from a limitation period.

2. VIS-A-VIS THE LIBERAL PARTY

If it should be determined that legal action against the Liberal Party is warranted, how would it fare under the Statute of Limitations?

when did George first know, or ought to have known, that:

the injury had occurred;
was attributable to the defendant’s conduct;
and
warranted bringing a proceeding. ?

Was it in 2006-07, or was it in 2012?

In 2006-07, George went to the candidate, Chris Axworthy (a longtime professor of law and also dean of two law schools), who told George that the Liberal Party would look after the problem and that George had done nothing wrong. George did not engage a lawyer.

George told the first lawyer sent to him by the Liberals (Darren Winegarden) that he felt he had been used by the Liberals and the conflict was of their making. Winegarden undertook to provide this feedback to the Liberals and was fired by them.

Later, Lawyer Joel Hesje contacted George and convinced him that he should go with Hesje to a meeting with Vellacott and Vellacott’s lawyer. George apologized to Vellacott, and told Vellacott that he did not have $250,000, or $100,00, or $50,000 or $5,000 to pay to Vellacott.

That concluded the communications of the Liberal Party and McKercher with George. Chris Axworthy had told George that the Liberal Party would look after the matter. This was in 2007.

So, when did George first know, or ought to have known, that:

the injury had occurred;
was attributable to the defendant’s conduct;
and
warranted bringing a proceeding. ?

It was not until January 2012, more than four years after the meeting with Vellcott, when reporters phoned George to obtain his reaction to the court award against him. Prior to the reporters’ calls in January 2012 George did not know that the Liberal Party had not closed the file, and that there was legal action against him.

Are there any other considerations that would affect the determination of when the Statute of Limitations commenced in relation to the Liberal Party? If not, then it seems relatively straight forward: for both McKercher and the Liberal Party, the Limitation period started ticking in January 2012.

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TITLE: Ashu Solo, emails sent December 16

These emails follow the sequence listed at: THE EMAILS SENT BY ASHU SOLO

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 5:10 PM, From Daeran about the Zimmerman blog / Ashu

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:10:36 -0600

From: Daeran Gall

Subject: Re: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

To: Larry Waldinger, Vicki Strelioff ; Sandra Finley; Victor Lau

(INSERT: re he seems to have removed offending material. The blog was taken down while Ashu claimed What blog? I don’t see anything. When he renewed the attacks on Zimmerman after Christmas, the blog was reactivated. You can see in the “Archives” that it was up in November. If you click on this link, you will see the reactivated blog, not the blank one.)

http://toniazimmerman.wordpress.com/ is a wordpress site likely registered by Ashu, he seems to have removed offending material.

He is angry man and does not seem capable of discernment in this matter.

I have unfriended him and friended Tonia. I wanted to see if she is a real person and it appears to be. I have seen fake people who join sites and fb pages like petition to band fluoride ,and they post negative remarks or sell shoes and sunglasses. I am certain that lobby groups employ these tactics to undermine movements unfriendly to their business.

tonia seems legit but a little odd in that her page is missing certain elements.

that said, i can’t tell for sure, however Ashu’s reaction is damaging to potential candidates and the green party in general. Our chances for being heard have never been better and a situation like Ashu’s does nothing for the cause or the party.

It has made me curious about Ashu and his role in this, a neighbour commented on his gun toting image as being odd for a green party member, personally I have had on line chats and his manner is like that of a high school bully

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i guess we are lucky Ashu is a law abiding citizen, however is rage is uncontrolled and IMO the party must distance itself from this. I myself see only trouble ahead, and because of Ashu I too have distanced myself from the party. His issue is a bomb that can undermine a good campaign by any candidate esp the leader of the party.

Many christian’s have a hard time with his issue, while at the same time religious belief is allying itself with guarding the creation of God.

Saskatoon council is clinging to an archaic idea of ‘merry christmas’

but with first nations beliefs and prayers also being considered, this is an issue for future endeavours and discussion and not at this time.

This just bleeds off energy and time, how much has already been spent.

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On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:19 PM Daeran Gall wrote:

this is the image that tonia sent me, this was before Ashu aka Bobby Black took down the offending information.

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DECEMBER 16 5:32 PM, From Victor to Daeran, have seen little to no evidence

—–Original Message—–

From: Victor Lau

Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:32 PM

To: Daeran Gall

Cc: Larry Waldinger; Vicki Strelioff; Sandra Finley; Kaitlyn Harvey; Mark Bigland-Pritchard; Marlene Wells; Ashu M G Solo; PatriciaGRN Farnese

Subject: Re: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

Dear Daeran,

Patricia Farnese is handling this matter at the Federal Green level.

This matter does not concern the provincial Green Party at all.

The reason? Ashu Solo is a paid up member. Neither Tonia Zimmerman (or Elvin Lau) are members of either federal/provincial Green Party!

To date: I have seen little to no evidence of what Ashu Solo may or may not have done.

Feel free to send me EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING!

Otherwise, stop ccing me emails that waste alot of Organizing time.

The provincial party has better things to focus on like Climate Change for example …

Cheers and happy holidays everyone, vic 🙂

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Victor Lau wrote:

Are you saying Bobby Black is really Ashu Solo???

Perhaps the police should be called.

By the way, ‘did’ Tonia fake her work experience??

Cheers, vic 🙂

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DECEMBER 16 7:06 PM Daeran to Victor Lau. Ashu: should solve the problem he created without Green Party interaction

—–Original Message—–

From: Daeran Gall

Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 7:06 PM

To: Victor Lau

Cc: Larry Waldinger; Vicki Strelioff; Sandra Finley; Kaitlyn Harvey; Mark Bigland-Pritchard; Marlene Wells; Ashu M. G. Solo

Subject: Re: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

no what i am saying is that allegations alone are enough to cause problems, Ashu you created this, solve it without using green party interaction.

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:26:10 PM http://toniazimmerman.wordpress.com/ What the hell is this? I see an empty blog. . . .

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:22:15 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: Response to Daeran and Sandra

To: ‘Victor Lau’; ‘Daeran Gall’

What the hell is this? I see an empty blog. Why do you think I created this? Do you have any proof I created it? It looks like Zimmerman created it or maybe you did for your new girlfriend Tonia, Daeran. Is this the blog that Sandra claims I put up? You should be ashamed of yourselves, Sandra and Daeran, for saying I did this without any proof.

http://toniazimmerman.wordpress.com/

(INSERT JAN 04, 2013: If you click on this URL now, the content comes up. As told elsewhere: the “Archives” for November show that the material was up. Here, Ashu says “I see an emply blog”. The content later became visible again, at the time of the renewed attacks on T Zimmerman.)

There were thousands of people who made racist or bigoted comments about me on the Internet. I never responded to any of these people. I don t care what they say because they weren t making up lies about me like Zimmerman was.

What set Zimmerman apart is that she was spreading lies about me, contacting media with the lies, contacting active Greens with the lies, and finding what Facebook groups I had commented in and posting comments with disparaging comments about my appearance. Elvin Lau was assisting her in this. There s a limit to how much I can tolerate, so I contacted Zimmerman to convince her to delete the lies, called her ugly back, and threatened to sue her for libel and slander. I never had any other interaction with Zimmerman and never posted a blog about her. I’m suing her for libel and slander and preparing a criminal complaint against her for defamatory libel. The Supreme Court says that defamatory libel can be prosecuted in extreme circumstances and I think this is an extreme case.

When John Kerry was swiftboated and didn t respond to the lies about his military service during the 2004 presidential election, many people started believing the lies and thought he was weak for not counterattacking, and this could have cost Kerry the presidency and allowed Bush to remain as president. Politicians who don t attack back when attacked usually lose. For this reason, I think counterattacks are justified and necessary in politics. However, unlike my opponents, I will stick to the truth, so there is no grounds to sue me for libel or slander.

My counterattacks against Zimmerman will be lawful and through the courts and through the police. That is, I’m suing her and making a criminal complaint against her.

I haven t publicly repeated Zimmerman s lies, so that I don t give her more of a platform. I thought I got Zimmerman s Twitter account deleted by complaining to Twitter, but I see it s back up now without the lies about me. If there were any counterattacks on Zimmerman by any of my millions of supporters, that s probably what got her to delete her many Twitter lies about me, so I think counterattacks against her are justified and necessary.

NOBODY PICKED A FIGHT AGAINST ZIMMERMAN. LET ME REPEAT. NOBODY PICKED A FIGHT AGAINST ZIMMERMAN. Nobody including me even heard of her. She picked a fight against me and was extremely unethical and malicious in doing so with her lies. I wouldn t care if she said all over the Internet that I should go back to India, but I do care if she s spreading lies about me. If I apply for a position as a professor in the future, I don t want the universities doing Web searches on me and seeing Zimmerman s lies. When she posted a lie about me on Twitter or a StarPhoenix article, I didn t respond to the lie. I never respond to online comments about me or my cases.

I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY ATTACKS ON ZIMMERMAN IF THERE EVEN WERE ANY. I have no idea what my millions of supporters do. I get messages of support all the time from people I never heard of and don’t know.

This is why I didn’t want Sandra’s lies forwarded to more people. Daeran’s loyalties are to Sandra and Zimmerman, not the truth. I heard Daeran and Sandra lived together for several years.

Daeran and Sandra like criticizing me behind my back without even giving me a chance to respond and think I’ll never hear about it. Well, I eventually hear about the criticisms. I’ve sent my criticisms of Sandra to her while asking for her address to serve her with a civil claim for libel and slander. She is evading service. That’s okay. I’ll tell that to the court and get an order of substitutional service against her.

My Facebook picture is of me in the army. I’m proud of my military service, not ashamed of it. Trying to use my military service against me is highly discriminatory and bigoted.

When Sandra was leader of the Green Party of Saskatchewan, she stopped someone from being a GPS nominee because he was in the Cdn. military reserve. I’m mentioning this because I think this is extremely shocking, extremely disgraceful, and extremely offensive and because I served in the Cdn. military reserve too. Should I not be allowed to be a nominee because I served in the Cdn. military too? Discriminating against someone because of honorable military service is as bad as discriminating against someone because of race, religion, gender, or disability. It’s ridiculous to think that Canada can exist without a military. Military service should be a protected category in the provincial and federal human rights codes and Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Veterans are protected from discrimination in some American states and there is a proposed federal law in the U.S. to protect veterans from discrimination.

I hate to tell you this, but in the army, you carry around rifles. Would you criticize a picture of a transgendered person wearing a dress because that’s what a male identifying as a female may do? Is discrimination against veterans the last acceptable form of discrimination and bigotry among Greens like Daeran and Sandra?

The EDA was dormant while Sandra was in charge of it. We made it extremely active again while I was in charge of the EDA.

My prayer recitation case was never controversial among progressives. I have strong support among progressives, atheists, agnostics, and religious minorities.

While my Christmas message case was much more controversial a year ago, there has been a huge shift in tone during the past few months. People are starting to realize I was right. They are starting to realize that it’s a secularism issue just like prayer recitations. With this case, I also have strong support among progressives, atheists, agnostics, and religious minorities.

To be honest, a year ago, I would have cost the Green Party more votes than I brought to it. But not anymore. Now I will bring more votes to the Green Party from progressives than an unknown Green would. Everyone knows who I am and I have strong support now among progressives. The conservatives hate me, but you’ll never get the conservative vote anyway.

Tomorrow I will be filing four new human rights complaints. I finished writing these today. I’m only telling the media about three of them. None of these complaints are related to secularism or religious issues. I’ll copy you on the media advisory.

Next I will be suing Zimmerman and Sandra for libel and slander, making a criminal complaint against Zimmerman, and making an ethics complaint against Sandra.

Like I said before, I hold no position with the Green Party of Canada. I’m CEO of the Saskatoon PROVINCIAL Green Party Association and I believe Victor Lau is happy to have me in this position. I believe I’ve helped the Green Party of Saskatchewan significantly in this position and will continue to do so.

The fact that Sandra and Daeran are friends with Zimmerman after I told them how she was spreading malicious lies about me really shows what kind of slimebags they’re willing to associate with in their smear campaign against me.

Ashu

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:29:17 PM My email keeps bouncing I believe. (Note use of Trail Blazers email address, see posting re Ashu’s CV & business associations.)

Subject:Response to Daeran/Sandra

From”Ashu M. G Solo” amgsolo@trailblazerintsys.com

Subject: Response to Daeran/Sandra

Sent date: 12/16/2013 07:29:17 PM

To: DaeranGall; Sandra Finley; Victor Lau; Larry Waldinger; Patricia Farnese; Kaitlyn Harvey; Vicki Strelioff; Marlene Wells; Mark Bigland-Pritchard / Low Energy Design Ltd; amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us

My email keeps bouncing I believe, so I’m resending this. Sorry if you received this multiple times.

http://toniazimmerman.wordpress.com/ What the hell is this? I see an empty blog. . . . (remainder is same as in following email thread …. )

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:32:45 PM What are you talking about? Who the

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:32:45 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: RE: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

To: ‘Daeran Gall’

What are you talking about? Who the hell is Bobby Black? I searched my emails for a Bobby Black and I don’t see anyone by that name. I created what? What are the allegations? What the hell am I supposed to do? You’re so gullible believing whatever bullshit Zimmerman and Sandra make up.

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:41:45 PM Zimmerman wanted to create internal

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:41:45 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: Zimmerman wanted to create internal squabbles

To: Sandra Finley; Daeran Gall; Victor Lau; Larry Waldinger; Vicki Strelioff; Patricia Farnese; ‘Mark Bigland-Pritchard / Low Energy Design Ltd’; Kaitlyn Harvey; Marlene Wells

Zimmerman wanted to create internal squabbles and thanks to Sandra and now Daeran, she has succeeded in doing that. She’s a conservative religious bigot, not a dedicated Green as Sandra claims. Sandra is still throwing grenades at Saskatoon Greens from B.C. Why don’t you stop wasting all of our time on this bullshit and lies? WE ALL JUST WANT TO BE DONE WITH THIS NONSENSE. Are Sandra and Daeran giving Zimmerman our email correspondence to encourage her to make up more lies. What will be the next lie? According to Zimmerman, I’m bald, faked my military service, sent her sexual messages, etc. Anyone who believes any of this is a fool.

Ashu

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:48:01 PM If you send anymore emails about me

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:48:01 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: If you send anymore emails about me, copy me on them, so I can respond. That’s the decent thing to do instead of talking behind my back.

To: Sandra Finley, Daeran Gall

If you send anymore emails about me, copy me on them, so I can respond. That’s the decent thing to do instead of talking behind my back.

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 08:26:41 PM Daeran says allegations alone are

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:26:41 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: RE: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

To: ‘Daeran Gall’

Daeran says allegations alone are enough to cause problems. Anyone can say anything about anyone, particularly on the Internet. IT DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE. How do you know Zimmerman or Sandra didn’t put up this empty blog to try to blame it on me? I think that’s what it is. What’s to stop Zimmerman from putting up a blog and blaming it on Victor or Larry or Mark or Vicki or Kaitlyn? MEDIA DOESN’T COVER LIES AND UNVERIFIED BULLSHIT. Zimmerman contacted all kinds of media with lies about me and none of them including the conservatives covered it because they know it’s bullshit and they don’t want their media organizations sued for libel and slander. I have many friends in the media and some of them told me they heard from Zimmerman, told me they see lies all the time about public figures, and told me they don’t take it seriously. The media isn’t gonna accuse me of anything without proof like Sandra and Daeran do. Because Greens have had extremely little electoral success, they don’t know or understand what kind of attacks those of us who are well-known have to deal with. The other parties get this kind of bullshit all the time. The NDP and Conservatives told me about it. They don’t descend into internal squabbles over it and tear apart and investigate their own members over it. Let’s have more professionalism and not fall into Zimmerman’s trap. I had a look at Zimmerman’s Twitter account and I see she has a pattern of making up lies about people and making disparaging remarks about their appearances. Maybe one of them got angry and put up a blog about her. If Zimmerman thinks I’ve done something illegal, she should sue me or go to the cops. I welcome this. STOP ACCUSING ME OF THINGS I DIDN’T DO and stop wasting our time with lies.

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 08:42:27 PM Why are Daeran and Sandra so concern

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:42:27 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: RE: Complaint received, serious, re Ashu Solo

To: ‘Daeran Gall’

Why are Daeran and Sandra so concerned about counterattacks on Zimmerman but not attacks on me when Zimmerman started spreading lies about me and the only counterattack I’m doing is suing Zimmermann and making a criminal complaint against her?

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DECEMBER 16, 11:15:25 I’ve TOTALLY had it

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:15:25 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: SMEAR CAMPAIGN To: ‘Daeran Gall’, Sandra Finley

I’ve TOTALLY had it with this bloody smear campaign against me. STOP TRYING TO SMEAR MY REPUTATION THROUGH LIES. If Daeran or Sandra or anyone else has anymore lies about me, send them to Victor and Patricia instead of trying to smear my reputation by sending them to every active Saskatoon Green you can think of. I think they have enough brains to sort through the lies. The fact that Sandra and Daeran chose to spread all of the lies to all of you who can take no action against me shows they’re out for nothing but to harm my reputation. What’s next? Will they send Zimmerman’s lies to the new people who showed up at the last meeting? I’m sure Sandra would if she had their email addresses.

It’s unbelievable that a worthless brainless Internet troll spreading lies can cause so much of an uproar among Saskatoon Greens through supposedly intelligent people like Sandra or Daeran, who will make libelous statements like they’re talking about the weather. Get a life. Don’t Sandra and Daeran have anything better to do with their lives than be relays for an Internet troll spreading lies?

I’ve been covered by the media many hundreds of times and I have over 500 publications, probably more than every Saskatoon Green combined. Don’t you think there’s gonna be some backlash when I take on religion in government?

Sandra drove me out of the Green Party of Canada. I am not even a member anymore.

Too many of you like Daeran have gotten your marching orders from Sandra for far too long like she’s some sort of God. She isn’t a God. She’s a bigot against veterans, she spreads lies about people, and she engages in underhanded attacks. I know those aren’t libelous statements. Sandra wanted me to be EDA CEO to keep me from being a nominee. She thought I would do nothing with the EDA like her. When she saw us make it active, she wanted Vicki to take it over because she thinks I’m bad for the party. Sandra doesn’t have a clue about political strategy.

The controversial civil rights hero Rev. Al Sharpton, for whom I have the utmost respect, stood next to John Kerry and Howard Dean during the Democratic presidential debates in 2004 and it didn’t hurt the Democratic Party at all. It helped mobilize more black people to vote for Democrats.

Similarly, I’ll mobilize more progressives to vote Green. They’ve never heard of most Greens like Sandra and Daeran, but everyone has heard of me. I’m not saying that to brag. I’m just stating the truth.

Ashu

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:40:09 PM Sandra and Daeran think that I found this loser

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:40:09 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: RE: SMEAR CAMPAIGN To: ‘Daeran Gall’; Sandra Finley

Sandra and Daeran think that I found this loser Zimmerman out of the blue and started harassing her for no reason like I got nothing better to do with my time and energy. Do you think I have some kind of romantic interest in a conservative religious bigot like her, so her lies about sending her sexual messages are true? Let’s see these sexual messages that she claimed I sent her. Use your brains. I NEVER go for losers. My standards are so sky high that I ain’t married and probably never will be. I have absolutely no romantic interest in losers. My main interest in life isn’t women like most guys; my main interest in life is getting publications (research publications and political commentary publications) and media coverage (for progressive activism or research) that ADVANCE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

The first I ever heard of Zimmerman is when I saw she had posted lies about me on StarPhoenix articles. Then she spread lies about me to the media and on Twitter. Then she took her defamation campaign to Patricia and Sandra and Daeran. I’m sure she will keep contacting more of you because Sandra and Daeran gave her attention. Nobody in the media and nobody else but Sandra and Daeran paid any attention to Zimmerman. That’s because Sandra wants to destroy me and found someone who can help her do it. Daeran gets his marching orders from his god Sandra and contacted Zimmerman himself to get more lies. That’s why Sandra and Daeran remain friends with Zimmerman on Facebook unless they “terminate” the friendship before you read this. You should all get your marching orders from your own brains and conscience, not Sandra’s.

If someone posted a negative blog about her, maybe that’s what got her to delete her lies about me. If someone did this, I should thank whoever did it. If someone did this, it was justified and probably necessary to get the lies about me deleted. You have no clue how many supporters I got. You think I’m in these civil rights cases by myself. That’s bullshit. I get help from a bunch of people including one of you and representatives of three prominent civil rights organizations. On top of that, I have millions of supporters, many of whom defend me against attacks on the Internet, and I have no control or knowledge of what the hell they do, so STOP WASTING MY TIME WITH LIES AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

I got physically attacked by someone who recognized me on the street. I got hundreds of hate messages and hundreds of supportive messages. I got a bunch of threats. My activism brings out the best and worst in people. Which of you have ever had the guts to take on a really controversial cause? Nothing is more controversial and inspires more outrage than civil rights and nothing including the environment is more important than civil rights. Nobody like Zimmerman is gonna scare me out of fighting for civil rights. I’m not a coward. The seed of liberty grows peace and prosperity.

Ashu

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:41:35 PM THE 10 EMAILS BELOW CONTAIN

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:41:35 -0600 From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us> Subject: THE 10 EMAILS BELOW CONTAIN MY DETAILED RESPONSE TO SANDRA’S LIES. To: Sandra Finley; Daeran Gall

THE 10 EMAILS BELOW CONTAIN MY DETAILED RESPONSE TO SANDRA’S LIES.

(contains emails sent and documented in these postings)

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DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:44:02 PM The fact that Sandra remains friends on

(Ashu re-sent his email of Dec 15, 7:05 AM)

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:44:02 -0600

From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>

Subject: FW: RE: Sandra Finley’s Complaint Against Ashu Solo

To: Sandra Finley; Daeran Gall; Vicki Strelioff; ‘Mark Bigland-Pritchard / Low Energy Design Ltd’

From: Ashu M. G. Solo [mailto:amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us]

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:05 AM To: ‘Larry Waldinger’; ‘Marlene Wells’; ‘Patricia Farnese’; ‘Victor Becker Lau’; Kaitlyn Harvey

Subject: RE: Sandra Finley’s Complaint Against Ashu Solo

The fact that Sandra remains friends on Facebook . . .

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DECEMBER 16, 2013 11:57:41 PM Hey Daeran and Sandra, why the hell

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:57:41 -0600
From: “Ashu M. G. Solo” <amgsolo@mavericktechnologies.us>
Subject: RE: RE: SMEAR CAMPAIGN
To: ‘Daeran Gall’; Sandra Finley

Hey Daeran and Sandra, why the hell don’t you look at the Facebook timeline for your buddy Zimmerman and see the false allegation on her timeline that I sent her sexual messages? Where the hell are these sexual messages? Why haven’t you asked for them? Anyone who thinks I would send sexual messages to a loser like her is a complete and total idiot. Why the hell haven’t you explained to Zimmerman that she can’t make up lies about people? Why are you concerned about attacks on her (which never even happened) but not concerned about the attacks and lies about me that she engaged in first? I’ll tell you why. Because as you’ve both said, you think my civil rights cases make me make the party look bad and you’re looking for underhanded malicious means to bring me down. Well, it ain’t gonna happen. YOU GOT NOTHING AGAINST ME BECAUSE I’VE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.

You claim the allegations against me are enough. Zimmerman can make up any allegations against anyone. Anyone can make up any allegations against anyone. Without proof, they don’t mean anything except with complete and total idiots or Sandra or Daeran.

You should be especially ashamed of yourself for criticizing a picture of me in the army. You haven’t served in the military. You have no clue how it works. We carry rifles everywhere we go in the army infantry. We slept with rifles (with the bullets taken out) in the army infantry.

I’ll put my honor and integrity up against anyone any day. Nobody can act with more honor or integrity than I do.

Ashu

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SENT: 13/12/2012 to Ron:

Question: I am thinking that it would be worthwhile to forward the information I sent you, to other people in Bhutan. Would that suit you? (INSERT: Ron responded – he agrees but is over his head with work at the moment.)

Reason for sharing the information further:

You received untrue arguments from Dr. Peter Raven (Peter H. Raven, President Emeritus Missouri Botanical Garden) to undermine your confidence that there is any harm in chem/biotech agriculture.

Because of experience with this industry here in Saskatchewan, I think it is possible that you are not the only person in Bhutan who will receive the untruths, nor will Peter Raven be the only proponent for chem/biotech who is working to undermine faith in the organic approach.

A whole COUNTRY (Bhutan) that announces it will use organic agricultural methods is a threat to the chem/biotech industry. It becomes a magnet for their propaganda, the same as my province became a target when we tried to get a bylaw passed in the capital city, to eliminate the pesticides that are used solely to keep lawns looking pretty (kill the dandelions, ignore the impact on the health of children and others).

The industry efforts will be to undermine faith in what Prime Minister Thinley (with the support and wisdom of the 4th (and 5th?) Kings) is trying to accomplish.

Prince Charles (Britain) has long conducted his estates on an organic basis. He is scathing in his remarks about the chem/biotech corporations. He knows from experience their manipulative and corrupt ways.

A NAME YOU SHOULD KNOW: CROPLIFE

CROPLIFE INTERNATIONAL and its national bodies (e.g. CROPLIFE CANADA) are the lobby machines for the chem/biotech corporations. When they perceive a threat to their interests, they immediately dispatch a team to deal with it. They work behind the scenes using whatever means they can to thwart the public interest in decreasing the chemical/biotech poisons going into the environment.

I do not know how it came about that Peter Raven was in touch with you, and that he is on the Working Group for the organic agriculture project in Eastern Bhutan. If you contacted him, then I would worry less that there are deliberate efforts to derail Bhutan’s attempts to do organic agriculture.

A FURTHER NOTE:

The industry sells huge amounts of chemicals for the spraying of orchard and forest “pests”, also for golf courses.

I hope that the mountainous terrain of Bhutan, coupled with the Government’s resolve to protect the environment will save the country from efforts to eventually bring your fruit trees and forests under chemical spraying. There are very good books that document the terrible health effects from this spraying, and the inability of Americans (in particular) to stop the spraying of vast tracts of public forests. It is related to the spraying of forests in the Viet Nam War. The industry has a product (Agent Orange); they needed a market for it when they were forced to withdraw from Viet Nam.

Maybe Bhutan would like to get rid of those pesky leeches in the forests? – – so the line of reasoning would go.

As you may have seen from the counter-arguments I sent to you earlier: it is very difficult to stop the poisoning once the financial interests have gained a foothold. They have large amounts of money which buy influence, and they are without scruples.

Do you see any problem if I make some changes to what I sent to you, and then forward it to some others?

I would also like to post it on my blog (at SOME point, not right now): as of today the Premier of the Govt of Sask, the President of the Univ of Sask, and the CEO of Potash Corp have announced a new Global Institute for Food Security.

It is not necessarily a good thing. The University Dept of Agriculture has been a major teacher and promoter of chem/biotech agriculture, for decades now. Their idea of how to accomplish “food security” is corporate-based, not public-interest based. Many of the arguments put forth simply don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Sandra

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From: Ronald Colman
Sent: December-12-12 2:47 AM
To: sabest1 at sasktel.net; ‘Nancy Strickland’
Subject: RE: GMO correspondence

Many thanks Sandra for the two delightful photographs and for this excellent information on GMOs.

Interestingly, I have not had a response from Peter Raven to my letter, and maybe things will rest there. But in case he does respond, or if the issue arises in our upcoming working group deliberations, then I’ll certainly draw on the first-rate information on GMOs you have supplied here. I really appreciate your taking the time to compile it so assiduously. . …

Very best wishes,

Ron

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From: Sandra Finley
Sent: December-12-12
To: Nancy Strickland; Ronald Colman
Subject: RE: GMO correspondence

Dear Nancy and Ron,

. . . The remainder of this is response to GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) question.

RE GMO’s:

Ron – you did a great and diplomatic job of challenging statements made by Peter Raven, based on your general (reliable!) intuitive understandings.

Please see appended. I have taken excerpts from his communications to you (starting with his first email) and offered specific responses, largely referring to information collected by my network when we were working on GMO’s.

Much more could be added, but I think there is easily sufficient to show that Raven has no basis for much of what he claims. He is relying on people “not knowing” and his “credentials”.

If it will be helpful, I can go through the paper he submitted and document in similar fashion. Just with a quick scan it is possible to identify bogus arguments similar to what he set out in his emails.

I couldn’t help but notice, probably nothing more than coincidence: Peter Raven and the Missouri Botanical Garden are in St Louis, Missouri which happens to also be where Monsanto is head-quartered.

Cheers,

Sandra

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APPENDED

GM = Genetically Modified. (Equivalent terms used: “GE” = Genetically Engineered. And “transgenic”.)

For the most part, GM crop seed is patented. It is “owned” by a chemical/biotech corporation. The corporations use the threat of taking farmers to court if there are GM plants on their property and the farmer has not paid a licensing fee to the corp.

GM crops, by and large, are crops that have been engineered to be resistant to the chemical that the particular corporation sells. Hence, chemical and biotech (GM) go hand-in-hand. You cannot separate the consequences of one from the other.

The crops are designed by the criterion that they can be sprayed with the chemical(s) and not die from the application. Everything else on the field (“weeds” or “pests”) will die.

STATEMENTS BY PETER RAVEN, AND RESPONSE

NOTE:

For the links – – after clicking, SCROLL DOWN past the headers at the top of the page to see the content of the link.
Much of the documentation is related to Monsanto and its GM crops. That’s because it has attracted more attention through bad judgment. The other chem/biotech companies are just as bad, but not as flagrant. BASF and Dow come to mind.

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The statements below by “Raven” are excerpted from the emails he sent to Ron Colman. They appear below, in the email chain.

The responses are mine (Sandra Finley), drawing mostly upon work done by my network, circulated by email and now posted on the blog www.sandrafinley.ca under the category in the right-hand sidebar, “Genetically Modified”.

RAVEN: there is no scientific evidence that GM crops have any intrinsic problems (the method doesn’t cause any problems).

RESPONSE: Two “small” (?) examples

A. GM RICE

For details of the GM rice fiasco, click on:

2011-03-19 A HUGE WIN! GMO: Riceland Awarded $136.8 Million In Suit Against Bayer CropScience

EXCERPT:

We saw (that) when Bayer’s transgenic seeds contaminated a third of the US rice supply, causing the European Union to close its market to US rice. Bayer has faced 6,000 lawsuits due to that contamination and market closure. On top of lawsuits already lost or settled, last month, Bayer lost a $137 million lawsuit by Riceland Foods. The new suit notes that, “The worldwide total economic loss due to the [2006 GM rice] contamination event was estimated at $741 million to $1.285 billion.”

B. GM FLAX

Another tragic story, click on 2009-09-10 “Triffid” GM flax seed coming to you, compliments of the University of Saskatchewan

EXCERPT:

Canadian flax seed has been shut out of its largest market after traces of Triffid — a genetically modified form of the crop ordered destroyed 10 years ago — was found in shipments. The European Union, which buys 70 per cent of Canada’s flax, has a zero-tolerance policy regarding genetically modified organisms and has been turning away shipments. … “
Officials say Canada’s entire $320-million industry is threatened.[14] . . .

Canadian tax-payers footed a huge bill.

The industry response: the Europeans are the obstacle. And so they have attempted to use the WTO (World Trade Organization) to overturn laws that have been enacted in European parliaments, and other methods to interfere with democratically-made decisions.

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RAVEN: problems with health (there has not been a single reported case of any health problem with millions of people consuming them regularly, and essentially all beer, cheese, and very many medicines, such as insulin, are made by genetically modified organisms, with nobody spending a second worrying about them)
Academies of science throughout the world are unanimous on these points and all by a very few scientists who actually work on molecular biology are too. So the negative arguments are just as anti-scientific as those attempting to deny global climate change.

RESPONSE:

In North America there is no labeling of GM foods, as there is in Europe. People don’t know what they are eating. It is impossible to establish cause-and-effect. (You’d think that if GM food was so wonderful, the industry would WANT it to be labeled.)

Citizens in North America tried to get mandatory labeling but the industry “bought out” the decision makers. The most recent attempt for labeling was in California, November 2012.

see items #3 and #4:
(3) MONSANTO’S GLYPHOSATE (ROUNDUP): IMPACTS ON HUMAN HEALTH AND PLANT LIFE
(4) THE TRAGIC HUMAN CONSEQUENCES OF GLYPHOSATE SPRAYING OF GM SOY (ARGENTINA)

Also, 2011-04-02 Lawsuit seeks to invalidate Monsanto’s GMO patents

EXCERPT:

“. . . As Justice Story wrote in 1817, to be patentable, an invention must not be ‘injurious to the well being, good policy, or sound morals of society,’” notes the complaint in its opening paragraphs, citing Lowell v. Lewis.

The suit points to studies citing harm caused by Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide, including human placental damage, lymphoma, myeloma, animal miscarriages, and other impacts on human health.

Plaintiffs condemn Monsanto for prohibiting independent research on its transgenic seeds and for its successful lobby efforts to ban GM food labeling. Many raise the specter of allergic reaction to GM foods, proof of which is hidden by lack of labeling.

The suit also confronts the propaganda that transgenic seeds improve yield and reduce pesticide use, citing reports on failure to yield and increased pesticide use. The complaint mentions a 2010 lawsuit by West Virginia after several studies contradicted yield results claimed in Monsanto’s ads. And, it notes the growth in glyphosate-resistant superweeds.

“Thus, since the harm of transgenic seed is known, and the promises of transgenic seed’s benefits are false, transgenic seed is not useful for society.”

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RAVEN: If herbicides are sprayed on GM plants, then there problems might arise with weed formation and the like, but the same would be true whenever herbicides or other pesticides are used on anything, , GM doesn’t cause mass industrial agriculture, which was there long before these modern methods were applied to crop improvement In fact, the use of GM crops and associated no till agriculture has cut down the massive doses of pesticides applied worldwide

RESPONSE:

2009-08-31 3. Critique of Penner’s “Synchronized introduction of GM Wheat”.
Item #2 – a number of scientific studies establish that GM crops increase the use of pesticides, substantially.
2011-04-02 Lawsuit seeks to invalidate Monsanto’s GMO patents contains information to refute that pesticide use is lowered.
The increase in the fungal disease, fusarium, in GMO crops was well-documented years ago. Traditionally, crops infected with fusarium have to be destroyed whether they are for human or animal consumption because of the associated production of deadly myco-toxins. Now, here is another related fungal disease:

Don Huber: I have been doing research on glyphosate for 20 years. I began noticing problems when I saw a consistent increase in “take-all” (a fungal disease that impacts wheat) where glyphosate had been applied in a previous year for weed control. I tried to understand why there was an increase in disease with glyphosate. . . . .

. . . There are a lot of serious questions about the impacts of glyphosate that we need answers for in order to continue using this technology. I don’t believe we can ignore these questions any more if we want to ensure a safe, sustainable food supply and abundant crop production.

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RAVEN: has cut down . . the carbon dioxide loading associated with agriculture hugely worldwide.

RESPONSE:

EXCERPT:

“ . . . The results are in from a 30-year side-by-side trial of conventional and organic farming methods at Pennsylvania’s Rodale Institute.
. . . Importantly, the Rodale study, which started in 1981, found organic farming is more sustainable than conventional systems. They found, for example, that:
. Organic systems used 45 per cent less energy than conventional.
. Production efficiency was 28 per cent higher in the organic systems, with the conventional no-till system being the least efficient in terms of energy usage. . . . “

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RAVEN: Anyway, the short story is that GM technology development is no more than moving genes precisely from one set of chromosomes, DNA instructions, in one cell, to those in another. In a crude way, it’s like moving notes for a piano score from one score to another. What they do there depend on what they are and what characteristics they produce. The is not a single academy of sciences in the world, with all their studies, that believe there’s any danger in this method at all, and only a very few scientists who are really working on it of the many thousands who are.

RESPONSE:

2011-01-10 Enviro-Pig = pig genes + E. coli genes + mouse DNA. Seriously. Coming to your favourite restaurant and you will never know the difference!

EXCERPT:

There is no way of tracking the health impacts of pork produced from “enviro-pigs” with their E. coli and mouse DNA, themselves raised on a diet of GM corn and soy because the Government regulatory system bowed to industry demands to require no labeling.

Remember: corn and soybeans are two of the largest bioteched crops. People may remember GM “smartstax” corn: inserted into it is material related to EIGHT different biocides to produce resistance to various chemical applications for “weeds”, insects, fungi, etc. Yes, the problems are created because the animals are being fed materials they have not evolved to eat. The same is happening with cattle in intensive livestock operations, as with pigs.

You think that we have an epidemic of childhood obesity, diabetes and cancer? Wait until the full effects of the introduction of GM meat are experienced. But it will be impossible to establish cause-and-effect because the interactions are complex, and because there is no labeling. (in North America)

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RAVEN: The fact that virtually all beer and cheese in the world, and very many medicines, are produces from products of GM organisms, yet they’re all exempted from labeling or further scrutiny by the rich industries that they represent ought to give a clear idea of what people actually think about the dangers.

RESPONSE:

EXCERPT:

“. . . The country’s leading group representing farmers and ranchers, the National Agrarian Convention, said that by this measure Peru “defends its biodiversity, its agriculture, its gastronomy and its health.”

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RAVEN: It is basically political theater being played at the expense of hundreds of millions of hungry people by popularizers and organizations without scruples. and remember, as you read it that no scientific bodies in India doubt the facts either.

RESPONSE:

I refer you to this documentation from 2006. Six years later there is more that could be added:

Click on 2006-05-01 CONTEXT: Corruption of the companies. Public Record.

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RAVEN: scientists can now routinely move genetic material between unrelated kinds of organisms, a relatively rare process in nature. To the best of my knowledge, all GMOs obey the fundamental laws of nature, and as such meet an objective criterion for being “natural”.

RESPONSE (Ron):

You (Ron) replied to Raven: But to me, something “rare in nature” does not intuitively qualify as “natural”. Which reinforces my concern about “manipulating in nature in all its complexity” as expressed in my first note to you on this.

RESPONSE (Sandra):

There is nothing “natural” about what they are doing in the GM field:

Over and out!
Sandra

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012
From: Ronald Colman
Subject: GMO correspondence
To: sabest1 AT sasktel.net

Dear Sandra,

Many thanks to Nancy for passing on your email address, and great meeting you both yesterday. Hope you are having a good trip home today. Here, as promised, is the latest correspondence with Peter Raven. I’ve attached his pro-GMO talk that he sent me, plus two attachments that I sent him. This is ongoing….. Very best wishes and Bon Voyage.

Ron

From: Ronald Colman
Sent: November-22-12
To: ‘Peter Raven’
Cc: ‘rcostanz AT gmail.com’; ‘tashi.choden79 AT yahoo.com’; ‘Ida Kubiszewski’; pem.lama AT gmail.com; Meg Hart (meg AT megahart.com); robert.costanza AT anu.edu.au
Subject: RE: Talk as delivered to ISBGMO

Dear Peter,

Now it’s my turn to apologize for the delay in responding to you. I’ve just been so busy and the workload here so heavy in recent weeks that it’s only now I’m starting to catch up on piles of accumulated correspondence and notes, including reading key materials sent by you and other outstanding scientists and scholars. As you say below, “we all have excuses” for our response delays, but for what it’s worth, that’s my excuse. I’ll at least say that yours was the first set of key-materials-awaiting-reading that I now read. And I want to start by thanking you greatly for what you sent. I particularly appreciate the ecological/biodiversity perspective you bring to the GM issue, and you’ve made me think deeply about my own feelings on the issue. I also want to say as prelude that I appreciate your note to Bob that your primary work and concerns are much wider than the GM issue, and have to do with biodiversity, conservation, and species preservation on which we greatly look forward to your contribution. And yet you have expressed yourself passionately on the GM issue, and you sent me your materials on that subject so that I would read them, which I promised to do and finally have…. And thus this belated response.

First I want to confess that I am not a scientist and have not studied the science of GM closely, so I am not responding as an expert. At the same time, I hope you will not consider my concerns to be “politically driven” as you characterize many objections to GMOs. But your presentation (ISBGMO), letter to the Indian PM and more have prompted me to try to list three core concerns:

1) Because I have not studied the evidence, I am not disputing what you say in your ISBGMO presentation that “there is no scientific evidence that the process of transferring genes from one kind of organism to another poses intrinsic negative consequences.” And yet, your response to my worry on the very short 15-20 year period of scientific experimentation and evidence has deepened and not assuaged my original concern.

On 14th October, I’d written: “I wonder if we really have the evidence we need at this very early stage of GM technology development to make any decision either way on this question. This may be a question that applies not only to GM but to all attempts to manipulate nature in all its complexity. What worries me is that, during generations of burning fossil fuels with abandon, there was also no “scientific evidence” of climate change till it was way too late, and till our built infrastructure and habitual patterns had so locked us into fossil fuel dependence that it’s become incredibly difficult to change. By instinct therefore, I tend to find myself being highly “conservative” and cautious on such new technologies.”

On 5th November, you responded to my climate change analogy as follows: “Arrhenius, a Swedish Nobel prize winner, laid out the principles of climate change as a result of greenhouse gasses produced by humans in 1895, and scientists have been aware of the problem ever since. It was perfectly obvious to the climate community by 1980 that we were changing the climate. That’s precisely why I don’t want the anti-science people defeating the truth with respect to GM crops any more than I want them to do it for global climate change or, for that matter, evolution.”

But this is exactly what worries me: The “principles” of climate change may well have been laid out in 1895. But, as you correctly point out, it took nearly a hundred years before the science became “obvious to the climate community”, during which time humankind innocently and unknowingly did irreparable damage to the planet. And with GMOs we are talking only 20 years. Climate change is not the only worrying example. We were emitting CFCs and creating a serious hole in the ozone layer long before we knew CFCs were harmful. We were merrily over-fishing long before we had the scientific evidence of the impending collapse of key fish stocks. And more…. Often the science isn’t known till after the damage is done.

On a related tack, I may be misunderstanding something you said to ISBGMO, and if so, please excuse my ignorance and correct me. You said: “scientists can now routinely move genetic material between unrelated kinds of organisms, a relatively rare process in nature. To the best of my knowledge, all GMOs obey the fundamental laws of nature, and as such meet an objective criterion for being “natural”. But to me, something “rare in nature” does not intuitively qualify as “natural”. Which reinforces my concern about “manipulating in nature in all its complexity” as expressed in my first note to you on this.

You’ve cited Bt cotton as “an amazing success” in India. But I read recently that the government of Andhra Pradesh banned the cultivation of Monsanto Bt cotton, that the seeds are very expensive for farmers, that initial high yields may be followed by much lower future yields, and that Bt cotton may compromise long-term soil fertility and health. I know you don’t have a high opinion of Dr. Vandana Shiva, but she is on our working group, and so I’ve attached here the results of a Navdanya study indicating deleterious effects of Bt cotton on a range of soil organisms. I have not studied the facts and am not vouching for the accuracy of all this reporting. But it does seem there may be another side to the story arguing that claims of “amazing success” might possibly be premature or at least need to be qualified. At the very least, such reports might reinforce the case for caution.

Please don’t get me wrong. I am not claiming scientific knowledge nor disputing the scientific evidence you cite nor disagreeing with your stated case for profound changes in agriculture to meet the growing food needs of a burgeoning planetary population. I am only saying that my inherently cautious instinct and respect for nature’s complexity raises concerns that we may unwittingly be establishing a huge and irreversible new reality on the ground before we know its true effects.

2) But in response to this kind of cautious approach, you quite roundly criticize the “excessive oversight of GMOs” and of biosafety procedures as taking insufficient account of the increasingly pressing need to meet the rapidly growing food needs of a sharply expanding global population. Your facts and figures on this are well taken, and I accept that it is incumbent on cautious folk like me to address the specter of hunger and malnutrition that you raise. You approach this question primarily from the standpoint of quantity of production, but all I have read points to the reality that hunger and malnutrition are largely the consequence of mal-distribution rather than insufficient supply. Again, I claim to be no authority, but it seems that hunger and malnutrition can be greatly ameliorated by:

• Reducing excessive consumption and waste among the rich, and concurrently ensuring adequate food distribution to those in need. In your ISBGMO address, you cite the figure of 1 billion malnourished in the world. But the latest figures I have seen are that the 1.1 billion currently under-nourished are matched by 1.1 billion obese and overweight. I don’t have the food wastage figures handy, but they are staggering.

• Reducing excessive meat consumption. I recently read from Cornell University’s College of Agriculture and Life Sciences that, “Each year an estimated 41 million tons of plant protein is fed to U.S. livestock to produce an estimated 7 million tons of animal protein for human consumption For every kilogram of high-quality animal protein produced, livestock are fed nearly 6 kg of plant protein.” So even considering only the grain crops, the animals were fed more than 3 times the human-edible grain than what their bodies produced in meat.

In short, meeting the world’s food needs may be as much a matter of “fair distribution” (one of the explicit core dimensions of the new development paradigm on which we are currently working) as increasing supply.

3) The third big issues is the one that Bob raised – on corporate control of the seeds. This is a big issue here in Bhutan were “good governance” is one of the four core pillars of the country’s Gross National Happiness (GNH) development philosophy. Thus, greater self-reliance, as might be achieved through seed saving and seed banks, would be seen as a dimension of good governance, whereas increasing reliance on multinational corporations might undermine that self-reliance….. to say nothing of the major debts that farmers have incurred in India and elsewhere in becoming dependent on external inputs (seeds, fertilizer, pesticides) from the large corporations – debts that are said to have fuelled the wave of farmer suicides in India over the past decade. But the debt/suicide issue aside, which I know is controversial, there is still the ‘governance’ issue of whether a shift to GMOs increases farmer dependence on external sources and reduces self-reliance, which is major concern among GNH proponents in Bhutan. The Prime Minister of Bhutan addresses this governance issue as one of his core reasons for wanting to move Bhutan to 100% organic production. I’ve attached his statement here.

It’s likely that email is the worst possible medium to have a proper discussion on such deep issues, let alone for proper education of a non-scientific person like myself who does not claim to be well-informed and yet wishes to understand better. I have voiced my key concerns but do not regard any of this as a matter of dogma, ideology, or politics leading to closed mind. On the contrary I do have an open mind on the subject, appreciate the context in which you have presented your own arguments, and am willing to keep learning. I hope you accept my statements of concern in that context. Very best wishes, and many thanks again for your kind offer to contribute your work on biodiversity and conservation to our present project.

Ron

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From: Peter Raven [mailto:Peter.Raven AT mobot.org]
Sent: November-05-12 3:30 AM
To: Ronald Colman
Cc: rcostanz AT gmail.com; tashi.choden79 AT yahoo.com; Ida Kubiszewski
Subject: Talk as delivered to ISBGMO

Dear Ron,

Sorry to be late in responding, but we all have excuses! Anyway, the short story is that GM technology development is no more than moving genes precisely from one set of chromosomes, DNA instructions, in one cell, to those in another. In a crude way, it’s like moving notes for a piano score from one score to another. What they do there depend on what they are and what characteristics they produce. The is not a single academy of sciences in the world, with all their studies, that believe there’s any danger in this method at all, and only a very few scientists who are really working on it of the many thousands who are.

The fact that virtually all beer and cheese in the world, and very many medicines, are produces from products of GM organisms, yet they’re all exempted from labeling or further scrutiny by the rich industries that they represent ought to give a clear idea of what people actually think about the dangers. The fact that hundreds of millions of people have been consuming foods from GM plants for 15 years or so, without a single case of a health problem reported and no mechanism for causing one even having been suspected, pretty well finishes the story, I think. It is basically political theater being played at the expense of hundreds of millions of hungry people by popularizers and organizations without scruples. I send separately a letter I wrote recently to the Prime Minister of India, and remember, as you read it that no scientific bodies in India doubt the facts either.

If we want to save biodiversity and feed people, who are being added to our dinner tables at 200,000 net per day, with a billion already malnourished and 100 million on the edge of starvation at any time, we need agriculture to be as productive and sustainable as it can be on the very limited supply of fertile land that we have. There is no time for the kind of anti-scientific nonsense that is used to oppose the idea that the world’s climate is changing, an issue in which I am also quite involved. Incidentally, Arrhenius, a Swedish Nobel prize winner, laid out the principles of climate change as a result of greenhouse gasses produced by humans in 1895, and scientists have been aware of the problem ever since. It was perfectly obvious to the climate community by 1980 that we were changing the climate. That’s precisely why I don’t want the anti-science people defeating the truth with respect to GM crops any more than I want them to do it for global climate change or, for that matter, evolution. I care too much about the environment, biodiversity, and people.

All best wishes,

Peter

Peter H. Raven, President Emeritus
Missouri Botanical Garden
P. O. Box 299
St. Louis, MO 63166-0299, USA

314-577-9577
Fax: 314-577-9596
peter.raven AT mobot.org

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From: Ronald Colman
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012
To: Peter Raven
Cc: rcostanz AT gmail.com; tashi.choden79 AT yahoo.com; Ida Kubiszewski
Subject: RE: Talk as delivered to ISBGMO

Dear Peter,

Many thanks for your detailed explanation below and for the talk on the subject that you sent. I am just en route back to Bhutan and shall definitely read what you sent.

I am not a scientist, but I have one major (non-scientific) concern in all of this that I’d like to run by you to have your response as I try to wrap my mind round this question. Namely, I wonder if we really have the evidence we need at this very early stage of GM technology development to make any decision either way on this question. This may be a question that applies not only to GM but to all attempts to manipulate nature in all its complexity. What worries me is that, during generations of burning fossil fuels with abandon, there was also no “scientific evidence” of climate change till it was way too late, and till our built infrastructure and habitual patterns had so locked us into fossil fuel dependence that it’s become incredibly difficult to change. By instinct therefore, I tend to find myself being highly “conservative” and cautious on such new technologies.

Anyhow, I’m not a scientist, and have an open mind to what I learn here. I also don’t want to distract you from your main interest on biodiversity, which must certainly be a major focus of our upcoming work. But your own expressed concerns about key members of our WG, and our need to be working in harmony and tandem as we move forward, leads me to ask this question.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Ron

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From: Peter Raven
Sent: October-13-12
To: colman AT gpiatlantic.org
Cc: rcostanz AT gmail.com
Subject: Talk as delivered to ISBGMO

Dear Ron,

Thanks for your note. I’m attaching my latest paper on the GMO issue, and hope you find it of interest. Basically, there is no scientific evidence that GM crops have any intrinsic problems (the method doesn’t cause any problems) or problems with health (there has not been a single reported case of any health problem with millions of people consuming them regularly, and essentially all beer, cheese, and very many medicines, such as insulin, are made by genetically modified organisms, with nobody spending a second worrying about them). Academies of science throughout the world are unanimous on these points and all by a very few scientists who actually work on molecular biology are too. So the negative arguments are just as anti-scientific as those attempting to deny global climate change.

If herbicides are sprayed on GM plants, then there problems might arise with weed formation and the like, but the same would be true whenever herbicides or other pesticides are used on anything, GM doesn’t cause mass industrial agriculture, which was there long before these modern methods were applied to crop improvement. In fact, the use of GM crops and associated no till agriculture has cut down the massive doses of pesticides applied worldwide and the carbon dioxide loading associated with agriculture hugely worldwide.

Concerning “organic,” it was in my opinion a huge mistake driven by cause-oriented people without much knowledge of the scientific facts to classify GM crops as non-organic in the U.S., since that drives a lot of unnecessary residual cost in the industry. When we have a situation where it is “organic” to broadcast Bt toxin on crops when it’s been freeze-dried and concentrated, by the ton, and then “non-organic” to build it into plants so that it affects only the organisms that are actually a problem in eating the crops and the “organic” treatment clearly kills every insect of the group targeted whether they ever come near the crops give rise to what I consider a kind of Alice in Wonderland situation. Anti-corporate campaigning also makes people want to fight GM crops, but the products don’t need to come from big or foreign corporations and making your campaign on that basis really does miss the target and increase hunger by decreasing yields.

What we all ought to be talking about in agriculture is sustainability and environmental friendliness of the practices rather than who made the products we use. How would that work with cell phones or any of the other products that dominate the modern world? With some 50,000 people a day being added to the population of India alone, 500 to 600 million in the next 40 years, almost all of these people poor, it seems to me that it’s truly immoral to use political arguments to “prove” that modern methods of crop improvement shouldn’t be used to make the crops grown more productive. I just wish the world didn’t have to go through this phase, but the directions are clear and if we really want to promote sustainable agriculture in Bhutan or anywhere else we really can’t afford not to use all the tools at our disposal and to pretend that only past breeding methods, crude as they were, were really fine and what we do now is really scary! I just don’t think we can or should be unscientific in this highly-charged political area which is so simple to understand and use without the politics.

My main interests on NDP Working Group, however, are biodiversity, the knowledge of what’s in Bhutan being so awfully incomplete, and to help the country get into place modern GIS maps for the country running nationally to feed the needs of all the relevant agencies. I’ve spent the major part of my professional life trying to conserve biodiversity, and I do hope that Bhutan might emerge as a find exemplar of what has to be done to get there worldwide. The GMO problem is far from my major interest, but when I looked over the composition of the committee I could just see that we might be heading for a big mistake there, and I really would hope that our conclusions can be as objective as possible.

Do you live in Nova Scotia? I’d love to hear more about your group too, but I guess that’s all available on the web really.

May I ask with which group in Bhutan does Tashi Choden work? I want to understand the parts to equation as well as I can to make the best contribution of which I am able.

All best wishes,

Peter

Peter H. Raven, President Emeritus
Missouri Botanical Garden
P. O. Box 299
St. Louis, MO 63166-0299, USA

314 577 9577
Fax: 314 577 9596
peter.raven AT mobot.org

2012-12-16 Economy: CBC`s Enright interviews founder of `People Who Share` movement & co-founder of `buynothingchristmas.org`

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CBC Radio, Sunday Edition program, Michael Enright interviews founder of `People Who Share` movement & co-founder of `buynothingchristmas.org`

Enright notes that emerging alternatives to consumerism such as `people sharing` networks and `buy nothing Christmas` campaigns challenge our way of life and restructure our economy and he questions whether this could be interpreted as anti- Capitalist.

The founder of the “People Who Share” movement, Benita Matofska in England, one of two people interviewed had very intelligent and articulate answers about what the movement signifies.

The other well-spoken interviewee, Aiden Enns, co-founder of buynothingchristmas.org from Winnipeg admitted that his zeal came from his religious beliefs which had led him to question the economic injustice of the consumer society and he questioned whether sharing would address the issue of the present economic inequalities in society. Very worth listening to at following URL.

The link to Enright’s programme was also just posted on the Degrowth of the Americas Facebook site by Bob Thompson who provides related websites including one that notes : 14th November 2012 was the first ever Global Sharing Day. It was big, it was a world first and it touched all corners of the globe! 161 partners with a reach of over 60 million people in 147 countries helped make it a big success.

Obviously it is a step in the right direction but Degrowth will also demand reasoned public policy shifts as well to halt the assault on natural resources, ecosystems and planetary cycles that has by now reached a tipping point.

But then again moving towards a decentralized more localized model suggests that a diversity of approaches will be the new reality – approaches that share similar values and principles but which are finding different ways to reinvent the future. Some of it will be driven by dire necessity, as economic and environmental conditions deteriorate, as well as by common sense and morality as was noted twenty years ago by Professor Robert Heilbroner in his CBC Massey Lectures `Twenty- First Century Capitalism`.

[1] Michael Enright CBC Radio Sunday Edition

Listen to the latest show at http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/shows/2012/12/16/sharing-not-buying-gifts-at-christmas/

Sharing, Not Buying at Christmas (Hr. 1)

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Over the past century, Christmas has become an annual excuse for frenzied, even pathological consumerism. Sure, it helps businesses big and small, but do we really need all that stuff?

Introducing … the Sharing Economy. Instead of aspiring to own everything they need, people simply have access to it.

Does everyone really need their own snowblower? Couldn’t neighbours just share one?

True, Christmas is about giving, and we know it’s better to give than to receive. But more and more people argue it’s even better to share than to give. Others argue it’s better to give nothing than to give something that’s bought in a store.

Either way, emerging alternatives to consumerism seek to challenge our way of life and restructure our economy. Sharing networks … both local and international … have sparked a movement called collaborative consumption, forming a parallel economy worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

Benita Matofska is a former broadcasting executive and producer and entrepreneur. She is the founder and Chief Sharer of the British group, The People Who Share. And Aiden Enns is the co-founder of buynothingchristmas.org and the publisher of Geez magazine.

[2] Bob Thomson posted: “Alternative consumption Interview with Benita Matofska, Chief Sharer of the U.K. and Aiden Enns [Winnipeg] , cofounder of BuyNothingChristmas.org about why we don’t need so much stuff http://degrowthcanada.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/cbc-radio-the sharing-e&#8221

listing. Appearance of a duel. In fact I did not send even one of these emails

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TITLE: ASHU SOLO IN ATTACK MODE

Remember: I am only one of the people against whom Ashu Solo has launched a torrent of false accusations, threats and so on.

The following list of emails may give the appearance of a duel between myself and Ashu Solo, and two other people.

In fact, I did not send one email, facebook message, or contact him in any other way, not even once. I forwarded the complaint of Tonia Zimmerman against Ashu Solo, for arms’ length independent resolution to an Ethics Committee.

The majority, but not all, of the list of emails below are from Ashu Solo himsel.

In the beginning, his tirade against me was offensive, but not too serious. His tracking me down at the Airport at 6:00 AM on December 28th was a game-changer.

There was never a need for me to respond to his continuing lies, growing insults and threats; it’s the old adage, give them enough rope, they’ll hang themselves.

You will see where he calls for a conversation with me. I had seen his abusive assault and twisting of truth on Tonia Zimmerman (he, a 42-year-old male; she 26 years old). I understood the merits of playing my role without being drawn in. Nor did I have time for it. My role was to facilitate the heariug of the Zimmerman complaint by the Green Party Ethics Committee. Nothing more.

I was frustrated by the amount of Green Party time and energy being demanded by Ashu Solo – – witness the following list of emails. Imagine yourself as first a busy person, which the recipients of his messages are, then trying to be respectful, which these people are, and then having your inbox filled with Ashu’s rants, falsifications, and threats.

I have made no attempt to record his assaults on other people, with the exception of his final email exchange with John Gormley. The documentation of his communications to and about me, is sufficient to establish the pattern of his behaviour. He uses the same words and phrases to launch his attacks on various people. His writing is easily identifiable, whether it’s addressed to Tonia Zimmerman, John Gormley, Sandra Finley, Daeran Gall, Elvin Lau, or Lois Mitchell. I have little doubt that the “two other women” mentioned by Gormley contain much of the same language.

Note the ease with which Ashu creates illusions: constant repetition of the theme that I am harassing him, telling lies about him, etc. creates the impression that I have been actively engaged in doing those things. The truth is that I forwarded the Tonia Zimmerman complaint for resolution; I later filed a complaint on my own behalf after Ashu showed up at the Airport when I was in line to catch a flight.

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Links are to the full text of the emails
But all the emails in one group have the same link
Numbering: D (December), J (January)

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D10.1 December 10, 2013 12:56 AM I can’t believe I still gotta waste

D10.2 December 10, 2013 1:23 AM In addition to what I said

D10.3 December 10, 2013 3:11 AM Further to what I said in my previous

D10.4 December 10, 2013 6:01 AM From Vicki to GPC, I received a phone call last night

D10.5 December 10, 2013 7:12 AM In addition to what I said

D10.6 December 10, 2013 11:47 AM I believe that Zimmerman and Elvin Lau

D10.7 December 10, 2013 5:54 PM There’s something extremely majorly wrong

D11.1 December 11, 2013 at 8:32 AM The ethical thing for Sandra

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D12.1 December 12, 2013 7:19 AM I strongly believe

D12.2 December 12, 2013 7:46 AM I warned you before

D12.3 December 12 2013 1:29 PM I would appreciate if you all

D12.4 December 12, 2013 5:46 PM From Mark I can assure you

D12.5 December 12, 2013 11:59 PM Sandra, I need your

D13.1 December 13, 2013 00:11 AM (midnite) Why would I harass

D13.2 December 13 2013 08:12 AM I hold no position (resigns GPC membership)

D14.1 December 14, 2013 1:41 AM Sandra, I need your

D14.2 December 14, 2013; 1:18 PM From Larry to group, I immediately responded to Sandra’s accusations

D14.3 December 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM Larry to Kaitlyn and Daeran, copy Finley complaint re Ashu

D15.1 December-15-13 5:23 AM Your obvious smear

D15.2 DECEMBER 15, 2013: 07:05 AM The fact that Sandra remains friends

D15.3 December 15, 2013 7:19 AM I’m going to get

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D16.1 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 5:10 PM From Daeran about the Zimmerman blog / Ashu

D16.2 December 16, 2013, 5:19 PM Daeran Gall wrote: this is the image that tonia sent me

D16.3 DECEMBER 16, 5:32 PM From Victor to Daeran, have seen little to no evidence

D16.4 December 16, 2013; 5:37 PM Victor Lau wrote:

D16.5 DECEMBER 16 7:06 PM Daeran to Victor Lau. Ashu should solve the problem he created without Green Party interaction

D16.6 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:26:10 PM http://toniazimmerman.wordpress.com/ What the hell is this?

D16.7 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:29:17 PM My email keeps bouncing I believe (Note use of Trail Blazers email address, see posting re Ashu’s CV & business associations.)

On a page by itself, the same email:

DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:29:17 PM (“trailblazer” in current use) (Fix the link)

D16.8 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:32:45 PM What are you talking about? Who the he

D16.9 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:41:45 PM Zimmerman wanted to create internal

D16. 10 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 07:48:01 PM If you send anymore emails about me

D16.11 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 08:26:41 PM Daeran says allegations alone are

D16.12 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 08:42:27 PM Why are Daeran and Sandra so concern

D16.13 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:15:25 PM I’ve TOTALLY had it

D16. 14 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:40:09 PM Sandra and Daeran think that

D16.15 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:41:35 PM THE 10 EMAILS BELOW CONTAIN

D16.16 DECEMBER 16, 2013; 11:44:02 PM The fact that Sandra remains friends on

D16.17 DECEMBER 16, 2013 11:57:41 PM Hey Daeran and Sandra, why the hell

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D17.1 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 12:01:57 AM I’ve TOTALLY had it

D17.2 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 01:52:33 AM If Sandra and Daeran had confid

D17.3 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 01:59:05 AM Daeran says, “Ashu

D17.4 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 02:01:44 AM Which of you is gonna

D17.5 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 04:04:06 AM I can’t sleep or eat

D17.6 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 04:23:50 AM I’m the one

D17.7 December 17, 08:15:18 AM Patricia calls for peace, Okay everyone – please stop name calling (role model EMAY)

D17.8 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 09:20:36 AM Daeran Gall’s harassment of me

D17.9 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 11:34:52 AM Gall, why the hell

D17. 10 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 05:53:05 PM Sandra Finley and Daeran Gall

D17.11 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 11:28:07 PM Why didn’t Finley and Gall

D17.12 DECEMBER 17, 2013; 11:47:31 PM I STRONGLY RECOMMEND

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D18.1 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 12:18:02 AM (Just after midnite) FINLEY AND GALL, IF EITHER

D18.2 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 01:40:33 AM Finley and Gall, you

D18.3 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 11:05 AM From Daeran Gall to Ashu re : the only way i fantasize about banging her is in the face with punches & kicks

D18.4 December 18, 2013 11:12 AM Why don’t you tell everyone the context . . .

D18.5 December-18-13 (12:23 Time Diff) 10:23 AM, Victor to Daeran: Dear Daeran, I am asking you politely

D18.6 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 01:11 PM Why don’t you tell everyone

D18.7 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 13:20:12 From Marlene Wells (Federal organizer), requesting peace

D18.8 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 11:53:11 PM This will be my final response

D18. 9 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 11:56:55 PM Sandra Finley, I’m attaching

D18.10 DECEMBER 18, 2013; 11:58:10 PM Daeran Gall, I’m attaching

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D20.1 December 20, 2013 12:57 AM Was it worth picking

D21.1 December 21, 2013 9:00 / 7:00 AM If either of you make

D21.2 December-21-13 11:48 AM YOU’VE BOTH RUINED

D22.1 December 22, 2013 4:12 AM YOU TWO ARE REALLY

D22.2 December 22, 2013 4:14 AM THE SHERIFF IS

D22.3 December-22-13 12:43 PM AND WHAT REALLY SHOWS

D22.4 December 22, 2013 2:58 PM I DON’T KNOW HOW

D22.5 December-22-13 10:35 PM WITH OTHER PEOPLE

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D23.1 December 23, 2013 (8:51 PM) FINLEY AND GALL, (with “demand letters”)

D23.2 December-23-13 (11:09 pm) THINK I’M BLUFFING

D23.3 December-25-13 1:53 AM YOU SPREAD LIES ABOUT VICTOR

D23.4 December-25-13 11:49 PM WITHOUT PREJUDICE

D23.5 December-26-13 4:05 PM SANDRA FINLEY AND DAERAN GALL, I AM WITHDRAWING

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D28.1 December 28 2013 12:13 AM Facebook message, Sandra Finley stop

D28.2 December 28, 2013 1:46 AM I got an email from the troll

D28.3 December 28, 2013 1:49 AM Why the hell is the bully

D28.4 December 28, 2013 2:11 AM Some kind of action must be

D28.5 December 28, 2013 2:19 AM The especially pathetic thing is

D28.6 December-28-13 3:00 AM I can’t sleep or eat again because

D28.7 December-28-13 3:17 AM (1:17 am – 2-hour diff) Facebook posting Sandra Finley, stop harassing me

D28.8 December 28, 2013 3:21 AM This is an EXTREMELY serious matter

D28.9 December 28, 2013 5:00 AM I can’t sleep or eat again because

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D28.10 December-28-13 Ashu came to the Airport between 6:00 and 6:30 am, when I was departing Saskatoon. This was following 5:00 AM phone calls to my relatives, to find out my departure time and to try and obtain my phone number.

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D28.11 December-28-13 2:42 PM Sandra Finley, I demand that you immediately retract

D28.12 December-28-13 5:37 PM (re Penny) Because of the extremely urgent (thread continues, see Dec 29)

D28.13 December-28-13 5:17 to 5:40 PM (two-hour time diff) 3 Facebook messages

D28.14 December-28-13 7:50 PM Sandra Finley, I demand that you

INSERT: Note, Repeat, In all of this, I never once sent any kind of communication to Ashu. I forwarded a complaint to the GPC, because that was the best place for an arms’ length, independent assessment of the complaint, the best chance for both Tonia Zimmermans and Ashu Solo to receive a fair and just analysis and outcome.

Zimmerman prepared for the hearing, posting the assaults on her by Ashu on a password-protected blog. Ashu only upped the taunts, and refused to participate in a fair process.

ALL of the barrage of emails and attacks on me by Ashu, from December 10 through to the present (see the listing below) are largely the creation of Ashu, with little response from anyone else. Perhaps the same is somewhat true for the others who Ashu has gone after. I have the advantage of age and experience that prevent me from lashing back at him.

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D29.1 December 29, 2013 2:11 AM By hanging up on me (continuation re Penny from Dec 28)

D29.2 December-29-13 6:07 PM Penny, we’re still waiting

D29.3 December-29-13 8:22 PM Sandra, you better not make

D29.4 December 29, 2013 10:15 PM More bullying and harassment

D29.5 December-29-13 10:46 PM Please Sandra I beg you

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D30.1 December 30, 2013 12:46 AM Please Sandra I beg you not to have information

D30.2 December 30, 2013 3:05 AM I greatly appreciate your help (Not to Finley!)

Exchange Ashu to Patricia: Patricia, could you please ask Sandra

D30.3 December 30 2013, 7:55 AM Vicki called by Ashu at 11 PM last night.

D30.4 Dec 30, 2013, at 10:15 (two-hour time diff) 12:15 PM Vicki Strelioff to Victor Lau, I received a message from Elvin Lau

D30.5 December-30-13 11:20 AM Victor to Vicki That is too bad that Ashu called you

D30.6 December-30-13 (3:24) 1:24 PM Sandra, Criminal harassment is

D30.7 December 30, 2013 3:31 PM to 7:34:53 Exchange Ashu to Patricia: Patricia, could you please ask Sandra

D30.8 December-30-13 (6:20) 4:20 PM SANDRA, THESE ARE THE TWO BLOG POSTS

D30.9 December-30-13 4:21 PM Re-sends the email sent at 3:24

D30.10 December-30-13 4:22 PM Re-sends the email sent at 3:24

D30.11 December-30-13 (6:22) 4:22 PM Re-sends the 4:20 PM message

D30.12 December-30-13 (10:26) 8:26 PM Criminal Harassment Complaint against Sandra Finley to Saskatoon City Police from Ashu Solo

D30.13 December-30-13 (10:27) 8:27 PM Sandra, You having a blog post

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D31.1 Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 AM Ashu forwards his complaint made Dec 30 to the Saskatoon Police, to other Greens

D31.2 December-31-13 6:40 AM Penny tells of Ashu’s phone call to her on Dec 27th

D31.3 December-31-13 8:53 AM You having a blog post

D31.4 December-31-13 10:25 AM Resends his Complaint to Saskatoon Police (see Dec 30)

D31.5 December-31-13 3:02 PM All you try to do is

D31.6 December-31-13 3:04 PM And most of all

D31.7 December-31-13 5:43 PM – – he sent an email to the Police

D31.8 December-31-13 9:09 PM Your new year resolution should be

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J01.1 Jan 1, 2014 at 6:42 AM I’m extremely angered that Finley smeared

(includes “the truth” about his association with the military and his version of the Conferences he organized

J01.2 January-01-14 7:15 AM Larry replies to Finley’s One of the messages in my inbox just now probably answers the question of why Ashu accused me of giving his Father’s name to Tonia Zimmerman.

J01.3 January-01-14 2:55 PM From Vicki I hope that the police has a way of helping us resolve this

J01.4 January-01-14 5:16 PM Sends the email he sent at 6:42 AM to the inner group, to Finley.

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J02.1 January 2, 2014 (two hour time diff) 3:28 AM / 5:28 AM Finley, You’re wondering why

J02.2 January-02-14 3:29 AM IT’S NOT YOU TAKING THE RISK

J02.3 2014-01-02, at 7:23 AM Who put this up and why?

J02.4 Jan 2, 2014 at 10:05 AM Victor said Elvin Lau was complaining

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J06.1 January 6, 2014 1:04 PM I confronted Elvin Lau

J07.1 Jan 7, 2014 at 2:43 AM If you accept a fake official site

J09.1 Jan 9, 2014 6:22 AM Unfortunately I think we need

J11.1 January 11 2014, 2:16 PM Ashu concocts a lie about the Airport. He knows how to work “she said” / “he said”. This is a separate posting, on its own.

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There are more emails in January, through these days – – enough have been posted to provide evidence. Don’t need more.

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J18.1 January-18-14 9:59 PM Finley, Get a life, Finley.

J18.2 January-18-14 11:30 PM Everyone thinks you’re a kook

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J19.1 January-19-14 10:22 AM THE SNARKY EMAILS

J19.2 January-19-14 9:42 PM FINLEY, I CAN SEE THAT YOU’VE GIVEN

J19.3 January-19-14 9:50 PM YOU’RE ENDANGING MY FAMILY

J19.4 January-19-14 9:56 PM STOP ENDANGERING MY FAMILY

J19.5 January 19-14 11:30 PM Ashu phoned my Mother. She did not answer.

J20.1 January-20-14 12:26 AM I CAN SEE ZIMMERMAN LINKED

J20.2 January-20-14 7:11 AM YOU’RE ALL ENCOURAGING FINLEY

J20.3 January-20-14 7:33 AM YOU WANT TO DRIVE ME OUT

J20.4 January-20-14 8:09 AM DO PEOPLE ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN FAMILIES

J20.5 January 20-14 9:00 AM and continuing Ashu phoned my Mother repeatedly. She did not answer.

J25.1 2014-01-25 DID YOU NOTICE HOW NOBODY IS

J25.2 2014-01-25 Your reputation is in the toilet

J26.1 2014-01-26 I CAN SELL YOU THE BROADWAY BRIDGE

J28.1 2014-01-28 THE REASON YOU’RE GULLIBLE AND STUPID ENOUGH

F10.1 2014-02-10 I’VE ASKED YOU TO STOP ENDANGERING

(April 02 I received a call from Saskatoon City Police, Sgt Gulka, spoke at length and forwarded information.

A04.1 2014-04-04 continuing to Apr 7, at least. Under the name Bill Warren, facebook postings directed at Tonia Zimmerman, providing Sgt Gulka’s name, phone number and email address.

A04.2 2014-04-04 I’m being attacked again by Zimmerman, … followed by Sorry about another email. I need to make one correction

. . . and so it continues. There is more and worse. If you have questions, please get in touch via the “Comments” below. Thanks.

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TITLE: Backup copy of December 29, a “Jonathan Bishop” (Ashu?) on CROCELS (Ashu?) – “Breaking news” re Tonia Zimmerman.

NOTE: this is for back-up, in case the URL is taken down. The original has a picture of Tonia with the caption:

TROLL: Tonia Zimmerman has engaged in a cyber-hickery campaign against a prominent secularist

At bottom of this page: a screen capture taken on Feb 13th, 2017 (Feb 14th in the U.K.)

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Tonia Zimmerman engaged in Cyberbullying and Cyberstalking of Civil Rights Activist

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By: Jonathan Bishop |

December 29 2013 12:26

Saskatoon’s Tonia Zimmerman has been bullying, cyberstalking, and harassing an equality and human rights activist, who has been fighting for the separation of the church from the state through civil rights cases, it has been found. Zimmerman’s conduct is known as ‘cyberhickery.’

Zimmerman’s victim, also from Saskatoon, is well known as a secularism activist, civil rights activist, progressive activist, and operative for a political party. Cyberstalker Tonia Zimmerman found Facebook groups that the progressive activist had commented in and responded to his comments with disparaging remarks about his appearance and bigoted remarks.

Cyberbully Tonia Zimmerman posted malicious lies and made bigoted remarks about the civil rights activist in the comments sections of online news articles, on Twitter, and on Facebook. This has resulted in her being banned from the activist’s political party Facebook pages.

(There is an insert from Facebook)

Crocels News has learned that Tonia Zimmerman contacted three journalists and media outlets in Saskatoon with malignant lies about the secularism activist. Tonia Zimmerman also contacted three operatives in the political party that the progressive activist works with to spread malevolent lies about him. Furthermore, Tonia Zimmerman contacted a representative of two secularism organizations supporting the activist’s secularism cases to spread misinformation about him.

The human rights activist called Tonia Zimmerman a creative liar. ”Tonia Zimmerman has made it her mission in life to harass me, cyberbully me, and cyberstalk me just because she disagrees with my civil rights cases,” the civil rights activist said. “Tonia Zimmerman needs to get a life and find something productive to do with her time.”

Some legal experts have argued that Tonia Zimmerman’s actions are extreme enough and malicious enough that she could be criminally prosecuted for defamatory libel. Defamatory libel is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada with a penalty of imprisonment for up to five years. The Saskatoon activist is preparing a criminal complaint against her.

The civil rights activist is also preparing to sue Tonia Zimmerman for libel and slander. He has served her with a demand letter as the first step of this civil claim.

Crocels News will keep you informed of developments with this case.

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Dec 162012

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TITLE: December 29, a “Jonathan Bishop” on CROCELS – “Breaking news” re Tonia Zimmerman.

Regarding CROCELS, INTERNET TROLLS, CYBER-BULLYING:

Sent: January-01-14 3:19 PM

To: Sandra Finley

Subject: Thought this might interest you

I thought I’d google Tonia Zimmerman to see if any more stuff was being posted about her and found this, wondering if it’s a legitimate site or not (CROCELS). Who is Jonathon Bishop & why would what seems to be a British website write about this 3 days ago? It is pretty strange.

http://www.crocels.info/news/5086/tonia-zimmerman-saskatoon-troll/

(NOTE: click on backup, in the event that the URL is taken down.)

INSERT: The CROCELS connection – – see Ashu Solo, credentials)

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From: Sandra Finley
Sent: January-02-14 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: The new web material you found re T Z , posted on “Crocels News”

You said why would what seems to be a British website write about this (Tonia Zimmerman) 3 days ago? It is pretty strange.

Good Lord! Human creativity knows no bounds! (I say after googling “Crocels”, the name of the publication you found the posting in, and then following through on a word that Ashu likes to use: troll. A quick impression is that the trolling part is a handbook related to using social media to disrupt.)

The link you sent is: http://www.crocels.info/news/5086/tonia-zimmerman-saskatoon-troll/. See appended copy of results of google search. Crocels is acronym for Centre for Research into Online Communities and E-Learning.

I’ll add this to the file – – it’s important documentation re T Zimmerman. But need to resist getting drawn into the “what” behind it. Have to get Ashu stuff wrapped up and then onto the good and positive work that is meanwhile backing up.

For the record:

Crocels News

The best media is learning media

Tonia Zimmerman engaged in Cyberbullying and Cyberstalking of Civil Rights Activist

Breaking News, Canada News, Cyberbullying, Cyberhickery, Internet Trolling, Politics

By: Jonathan Bishop |

December 29 2013 12:26

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RESULTS OF GOOGLE SEARCH ON “CROCELS”:

1. Centre for Research into Online Communities and E-Learning …

www.crocels.com/‎

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Crocels: Centre for Research into Online Communities and E-Learning Systems … Search Crocels. Search for: RSS Latest from Crocels News · Two Welsh …

2. Crocels News | The best media is learning media

www.crocels.info/‎

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2 days ago – On New Years Day the Defamation Act 2013 will be coming in to force on 1 January, to make it possible for writers of free speech, often critical …

3. The Crocels Trolling Academy

www.trollingacademy.org/‎

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The Crocels Trolling Academy is an independentÂ not-for-profit initiative of the Centre for Research into Online Communities. We promote an Inte…

4. Crocels Community Media Group | The best society is a learning …

www.crocels.net/‎

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Crocels Community Media Group is Europe’s leading information technology, arts, law and science partnership. Our mission is to contribute to the viability, …

5. The Crocels Press Limited – The best materials are learning materials

www.crocels.eu/‎

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The Crocels Press Limited is the foremost not-for-profit socially responsible printing and publishing house in Europe. Based at the heart of West Wales and the …

6. Crocels News (CrocelsNews) on Twitter

https://twitter.com/CrocelsNews‎

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The latest from Crocels News (@CrocelsNews). The Crocels News brings the latest news highlights from the worlds of online communities, e-learning and …

7. Crocels Community Media Group | Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/CrocelsCMG‎

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Crocels Community Media Group. 3 likes. The Crocels Community Media Group is Europe’s leading multimedia education and community regeneration …

8. Crocels News | Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Crocels-News/258303147614741‎

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Crocels News. 14 likes · 1 talking about this. The Crocels News is a service of the Crocels Press Limited on behalf of the Centre for Research into Online …

9. Crocels News – Freedom of Information requests – WhatDoTheyKnow

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/crocels_news‎

Partially successful. by Swansea University to Crocels News on 24 October 2013. Partially successful. Dear Mr Bishop, Your request for an internal review into …

10. The Crocels Trolling Academy”…?! 12 Types of trolls…and how …

www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread867470/pg1‎

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Aug 2, 2012 – 20 posts – ‎9 authors

Came across this “academy” today, quite arbitrarily, while researching “trolling”, “flaming”, “debating techniques”, etc. because I’m old skool and …

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Lockheed Martin “Next Generation Identification Milestone”

Freedom of Speech. (Remove some wrong postings from category), Lockheed Martin, War Economy (includes Cdn Census & Trials) No Responses »

Dec 162012

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/sandra-finlay-vs-lockheed-martin/

You don’t have to look far to find this sort of thing on the L-M website. This was on their home page.

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