Nov 132018

(NOTE:  list of RELATED postings at bottom)

Further to:    My reply to “StatsCan plan to scoop customer spending data from banks”

I received this:

I circulated on facebook the petition against this sharing of personal data from financial institutions.  One response made it clear that people trust Stats Canada a way more than is warranted, based on their track record.

And this:

This is one question (StatsCan) I do know a lot about, and I wish I could persuade you that everyone gains from what is being proposed; this is not the banks passing on your data to credit agencies, who then leaked you records, but statcan, with an unblemished record for assembling the facts we need to share while protecting your privacy better than any other firm or agency with which you share your data.

in hopes of triggering second thoughts, and with best wishes,


I conclude:   we diverge on whether or not to trust StatsCan.


My “Second thoughts” are really “More thoughts”.

Hi!  . . .


I appreciate your overture, and your experience with StatsCan.

My concern is not the work that StatsCan does.  My concern is the amount of detailed personal information they are amassing.


First, you may not be aware:

It is not the case that StatsCan has an unblemished record.  They have communications specialists.

The first 2 examples are CBC reports.

Some left on subway cars, some mailed to wrong addresses, etc.

More serious allegations about the hacking of Statistics Canada secure servers.  StatsCan says no harm done.


Beyond that:

I think we two are the blind men describing the elephant.  The one at the front describes a thick tail.  The one at the back describes a wispy thin tail, on the same animal.

You are feeling a different part of StatsCan than I have experienced, starting back in 2003 (which is to say that my experience is not insignificant, nor is yours).

An advantage for me:  People in the network forward information I would never see by myself.   I cross-examined the head of the Census operations, at my trial.  I have been in direct contact, over the years with other people who were prosecuted.

To me,  it is written in large letters, across the side of the elephant, not visible to the blind:  surveillance.  Edward Snowden wrote that.  That is what you get with the parties that StatsCan works with.  I won’t repeat the evidence – – like the travel expense claims from the StatsCan website.


I have a long interest in Nazi Europe.  It seems so preposterous:  how could people have been so obtuse, as to let it happen?  One example:

It is documented:  people in the field were telling their leaders long before it happened – – intelligence showed that the Nazis were going to go through Ardennes Woods to invade France, you may know the story.  But it was pooh-poohed:

Allied generals in World War II felt the region was impenetrable to massed vehicular traffic and especially armor, so the area was effectively “all but undefended” during the war, leading to the German Army twice using the region as an invasion route into Northern France and Southern Belgium via Luxembourg in the Battle of France and the later Battle of the Bulge.

Anyhow, there you go.   Sorry,  I am convinced that we need the charter right to privacy, more than StatsCan & Lockheed Martin need all our personal information.     If you have not read “IBM and Holocaust”,  you really should.   Mechanized census files, very detailed.  What they had then – – Hollerith machines and punch cards, is nothing compared with what they have today.


From my “tail” of the elephant,  StatsCan is not trustworthy.  And the last people on Earth I would trust:  the American imperialists, the military-industrial-congressional complex.  It’s an Ardennes Woods story.




(Quote from:  Illusion and Denial that the invader is on the way (Ardennes, Sarajevo). Canada?)

It’s not a conspiracy theory.  It’s just piecing together the intelligence collected, starting in 2003.  I have had the luxery of TIME to spend on the topic It’s a priority for me – – it would have been for you, too, if you had received a Summons to Court, as I did.  You don’t have to be a genius to figure it out, you just need time and a supporting network working with you.

Best wishes,


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RE:  StatsCan’s plan to obtain spending data from Banks

I am concerned by a lack of emphasis and informed dialogue on:

  • The Charter Right to Privacy of Personal Information
  • WHY we have the Charter Right
  • The Rule of Law
  • What happens in a corporatized civil service

My reply to “StatsCan plan to scoop customer spending data from banks” is posted at:   

 It elaborates on the topics of concern.  I am hoping you will peruse,  and if it suits,  share with others.

Thank-you for your consideration, and all that you do in service to a better Canada for everyone.

Sandra Finley

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2018-11-16   Surveillance Kills Freedom By Killing Experimentation, Bruce Schneier. from “The End of Trust”.

In my book Data and Goliath, I write about the value of privacy. I talk about how it is essential for political liberty and justice, and for commercial fairness and equality. I talk about how it increases personal freedom and individual autonomy, and how the lack of it makes us all less secure. But this is probably the most important argument as to why society as a whole must protect privacy: it allows society to progress.

We know that surveillance has a chilling effect on freedom. People change their behavior when they live their lives under surveillance. They are less likely to speak freely and act individually. They self-censor. They become conformist. This is obviously true for government surveillance, but is true for corporate surveillance as well. We simply aren’t as willing to be our individual selves when others are watching.

2018-11-16  the BLIND SPOT in Privacy Commissioner’s investigation of StatsCan (getting personal data from the private sector)

2018-11-13   Canadians strongly oppose Statscan’s plan to obtain the banking records of 500,000 households: poll. Globe & Mail.

2018-11-13  Blind men describing elephant: Reply to “I wish I could persuade you that everyone gains from what is being proposed” by StatsCan (collection of data from Banks)

2018-11-12    My reply to “StatsCan plan to scoop customer spending data from banks”

2018-11-11  The law that lets Europeans take back their data from big tech companies, CBS 60 Minutes.

2018-11-08  Senator ‘repelled’ by StatsCan plan to scoop customer spending data from banks, IT World Canada

2018-11-06   News Release from Senate of Canada: Senate committee to probe Statistics Canada’s request for Canadians’ banking data

2016-08-23  MK Ultra: CIA mind control program in Canada (1980) – The Fifth Estate


  2 Responses to “2018-11-13 Blind men describing elephant: Reply to “I wish I could persuade you that everyone gains from what is being proposed” by StatsCan (collection of data from Banks)”

  1. Sandra, just a heads up that virtually ALL of the email I get from your account goes into spam. Even though I’ve added your email address to my address book.

    I’m wondering if you can rename your sender address to something other than “Wordpress”. I’m thinking that might trigger the spam filters. It’s likely happening to others who don’t realize it’s going to their spam folder or maybe not even arriving in their mailbox at all by being held up at the mailserver.

    I have to keep jumping through hoops to collect your email, so I thought you should know.

    Thanks for all that you do.


    • I appreciate the input. Thanks Joy.
      I think you signed up for the RSS feed which is generated automatically thru wordpress. I’ve never seen what goes out via RSS! Maybe the sender address can be renamed. I don’t know. I’ll get back to you.


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