This woman, Susan, from Vancouver is my age. She was diagnosed with MS many years ago. Life is difficult for her. She is knowledgeable, and determined; she pitched in on the 1998 class action lawsuit attempt over mercury in dental amalgams (I had not heard about the lawsuit). She wants to help out again, now, on days when the MS doesn’t have the upper hand.
She found material on my blog re mercury and got in touch.
What Susan knows should not be lost. Here it is.
EMAIL EXCHANGE, edited for brevity.
Sent: August 15, 2016
Subject: Re: Getting rid of mercury
Hi again Sandra,
I thought I should tell you about the book lent to patients at the mercury-free dentist office here in Burnaby. The book is about 1/4 inch thick, called “Your Toxic Teeth” by Dr. Murray Vimy, D.M.D. He had been a dentist in Calgary and observed the bad effects of amalgam fillings, did much mercury research with humans as well as sheep and noticed particularly that mercury carries on to the unborn feotus in the mother’s womb causing the unborn child/lamb to be mercury poisoned before birth. Check out his website – it’s got all sorts of interesting things on it. . . .
(INSERT: I have not found Dr. Vimy’s website, but have posted articles that tell of his work. Put “Vimy” into the “Search” at top right of my blog, to find them.)
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Sent: August 16, 2016
Subject: Re: Getting rid of mercury
Hi again Sandra,
I actually have a diet I got from an old naturopath in 1976, the first year we lived in Vancouver . . . I went to a couple of medical doctors with 0 result and after my Mom made some inquiries, had an appointment with an old naturopath, Dr. Fred Loffler. He was actually a legend and always had an answer (that worked) for every question I asked. He stopped practicing probably In the ’90’s but I got help from him about my kids – on his advice I didn’t get them vaccinated and never regretted that decision. I think the recipe for autism is mercury-poisoned mother gives birth to baby and has baby vaccinated and voila – baby turns out autistic. Dr. Loffler advised us to feed the dogs as we fed ourselves and we had the healthiest dogs and paid 0 vet bills.
I continue to eat according to Dr. Loffler’s diet as it always worked for me. According to him, all you have to do is stay on it 80% of the time and you will be healthy. We have Fridays as our pizza, pop and ice cream nights but try to eat properly during the rest of the week and things have been not bad except for the mercury poisoning of course that doesn’t go away.
The law firm I emailed to last week phoned today and stated that she would speak with her co-workers as to joining a class action lawsuit or whatever and will get back to me later in the week. That sounds like a good thing as I have no other thoughts on how to proceed. A class action lawsuit will send a definite message to our mercury-loving government officials who don’t care if we live or die that they should have never allowed amalgam fillings to be installed in peoples’ teeth!!!!! when they absolutely knew better.
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Sent: August 16, 2016
Subject: RE: Getting rid of mercury
Hey Susan,
I didn’t recall that what I call “the smoking tooth video” is the work of Vimy. Grant reminded me:
Dr. Murray Vimy was one of the first people I discovered 6 years ago when I was so ill with mercury poisoning. I tried to get my sister in Calgary
(INSERT: a doctor) to contact him on my behalf but she would not. He produced the famous smoking tooth video.
How is this lady (INSERT: Susan) doing with her amalgam removal & detox? I have another friend who fairly recently removed her amalgam & changed her diet radically like me (age 45). All the numb spots on her body (was doctoring for it & very worried) are gone! . . .
(INSERT, Dec 31, 2017
Also, from
. . . (dr kennedy filmed, produced and directed the smoking teeth video in association w/ the IAOMT, funded by a grant from The Preventive Dental Health Association of San Diego, California. he contacted dr. boyd haley (one of america’s top leading mercury scientists and chemists), Dr. Murray Vimy, DDS, a dentist and professor of endocrinology and metabolism at the University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. (author of Tooth Traitors), Dr. Roger Eichman, DDS (the dr who demonstated the mercury vapor release in the smoking teeth video at the IAOMT Symposium 2000 in Oxford England). dr kennedy cooberated w/ them to write a rebuttle to dr laidler’s misinformation).
REBUTTAL:
Quackbuster’s Analysis Fails Scientific Scrutiny:
Opinions of: Vimy, M.J., Haley, B.E., Eichman, R. and Kennedy, D.C. (2006) . . .
I was happy to read from you that you have nobility (INSERT: Freudian slip: I meant to say mobility)
I still have to go out for my daily walk. I have been going to a Chinese therapeutic massage lady to get me back to normal, whatever that is, and she recommends walking every day (which I have always done in the past).
You will notice that Grant inquired about how you are doing. If it might be helpful, I can ask him to send you his dietary recommendations. It is a long road to getting all the mercury out of its storage places in the body. It is helpful to know the experience of others.
Grant and his wife Gail have both used blood tests for mercury to help assess where they’re at. They know what’s high, what’s low, and the limitations of the blood readings. Gail had had terrible migraines in her pre-removal days. Removal brought the reading down, as expected. The migraines stopped which was a personality-changing time for her. Still some headaches. I talked with Grant a couple weeks ago. Gail’s headaches had increased. She had another blood test. The mercury reading was at 14, quite high and way above what it had been brought down to in the previous years. Their understanding is that her body had stabilized after the removal of the amalgams. But, as in the literature, she is now in a stage where there is another dumping of mercury. She expects to go through this and come out the other side being further cleansed, so to speak.
I think if you understand the cycles, it helps you not to give up. Mind you, you did chelation. Grant and Gail did not. Some of the literature recommends against it because it can mobilize a lot of mercury in the body all at once. The large load can do damage. That school of thought recommends to let your body do it, at its own pace, but with support.
Anyhow – – more on that another day, should you wish, and better to come from someone else, not me.
. . . The thing I want to talk with them about is motivated by you: we should have an understanding (strategy) that is spelt out. So we are pulling together in the same direction and know WHY we’re doing it a chosen way. Not that we all need to do the same thing. Grant focuses on helping individual people, when and as he can. I am pretty well tied-up in other activist matters. But have an email network and blog; I occasionally send out more information re the mercury issue. And take actions here and there as opportunities present themselves.
A question I think we need to answer: should a class action lawsuit be recommended? What happened to the initiative in Alberta? Is the liability issue, for the Government Health Depts and for the Dental Industry so huge that liability will never be acknowledged? At one point I think we (or was it “I”?!) decided that the route that would bear actual results would be:
- Sharing the information to create an informed body of people (critical mass).
- Simultaneously using the UN Treaty on Mercury to bring pressure on the dental colleges to stop the insertion of MORE mercury fillings.
- Conversations with the institutions that certify Dental Hygienists to emphasize the health risks to these women
- Which leaves individual older dentists who refuse to change their ways, as the culprits.
- Dental Colleges (some or all?) run clinics in which dental students develop their craft. People who can’tafford to pay dentists qualify as “the patients”. A young female friend who is a law student went for a filling last year. She didn’t know about mercury fillings. That’s what they filled her tooth with. (The College has received information about the UN Treaty, etc.. Information makes no difference. They dismiss it as crazy people who don’t know the science.) A fellow who came to the Mercury Jamboree is First Nations. The Clinic at the Dental College serves many First Nations people. They all get mercury fillings.
Anyhow – – that is more than enough to work on! We need to be persistent and patient. But there are limits to my patience.
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Sent: August 16, 2016
Subject: Re: Getting rid of mercury
Hi Sandra,
This is a P.S. to my earlier email. I think Dr. Vimy retired several years ago but of course is still active in anti-mercury pursuits.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016
To: Susan
Subject: RE: Getting rid of mercury
Did you see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HavLXo_0Xpk ?
CBC, 2011. Vimy – – well-spoken
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From: Sandra
Sent: August 16, 2016
To: Dave
Cc: Grant
Subject: Question re Mercury fillings
Hi Dave,
Maybe just “yes” or “no” reply – – no rush.
Why I called:
QUESTION (perennial): is there information that should be shared, would be helpful, in event that law suit over mercury fillings is pursued?
(I don’t want to pre-judge the likelihood that a suit would ever be launched in Canada; it’s come up again.)
Has anything changed? Is the liability issue, for the Government Health Depts and for the Dental Industry so huge that liability will never be acknowledged? (Is that what we decided before?)
A woman Susan my age from Calgary & now Vancouver who has MS is incensed about the mercury fillings and vaccinations. Has done a lot of research.
She talked with a Vanc Law Firm:
The law firm I emailed to last week phoned today and stated that she would speak with her co-workers as to joining a class action lawsuit or whatever and will get back to me later in the week. That sounds like a good thing as I have no other thoughts on how to proceed. A class action lawsuit will send a definite message to our mercury-loving government officials who don’t care if we live or die that they should have never allowed amalgam fillings to be installed in peoples’ teeth!!!!! when they absolutely knew better. Susan
She is conversant with Vimy’s work. Among other things:
I think Dr. Vimy retired several years ago but of course is still active in anti-mercury pursuits.
Do you know Vimy and his status?
The latest I found on him is 2011: CBC, he’s well-spoken. Short, good interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HavLXo_0Xpk
On-line contact phone numbers are no longer in service.
I like to support and encourage, as much as possible, anyone like Susan who is fired up. She will help to create awareness among the women in the Law Firm, even if a lawsuit is not pursued.
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Sent: August 17, 2016
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Getting rid of mercury
Thanks Sandra for the video. I did see it years ago. It got a lot of exposure with 60 Minutes, etc. but all the flak died off. I guess we’ll have to get it happening again. We’re got a mission!
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Sent: August 18, 2016
Subject: RE: Getting rid of mercury
Yes – – “all the flak died off”. It happens over and over again through the decades.
And yes “We’ve got a mission!”
With good news! Dave sent an update on their part of the mission. They are still hard at it. I’ll ask him for permission to post and circulate the update he sent.
I had asked him if he knows anything about Vimy’s current status – – I couldn’t find anything more current online than the 2011 video. His reply:
I talked to Murray Vimy briefly at an IAOMT meeting about 2 or three years ago….. he isn’t doing too much now.
Sometimes people need time out to recharge and re-assess. Doesn’t mean that they won’t have some contribution to make, big or small, at some future date. Maybe Vimy has passed the baton on mercury fillings to others, but maybe not entirely. (I don’t like to lose track of ANY allies, especially who have the background and presence that Vimy has. There might be a time when they should receive their kudos for their efforts, hard work and contributions, or make another brief appearance.
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Sent: August 18, 2016
Subject: Re: Getting rid of mercury
Hi again Sandra,
I got an email from the law firm I emailed to last week and they have declined the case. It’s massive when you go up against the Feds and they may have other cases that would make it tough to act on this case. No worries as that’s just one law firm. She did give me the number of the Law Society to choose another law firm. Maybe I’ll stick just with you guys at least for the time being.
When I was at the mercury-free dentist’s office last week and told him I wanted to be involved in a class action law suit against amalgams, he referred me to the www.IAOMT website so I briefly checked it out and went on the internet to find the law firm that I emailed with.
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016
Subject: Dave’s input posted. Also quoted you. Please review.
Hi Susan,
Dave ok’d posting of his input. I think you (and potentially the lawyers in terms of making a decision re lawsuit) will find it helpful.
Click on 2016-08-18 Update, research on Mercury fillings (aka Dental amalgam or “silver” fillings – ha!)
You will see a link to Letter I sent to Health Insurance Companies in 2012- – they have a financial interest in seeing that Claims come down. Most responded quite well to my overture. They are the kind of people that will work hard behind the scenes to help drive the change because of the $$$ it’s costing them. But they won’t want to be quoted in the newspapers or by us. I just give them the info and leave it to them.
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Sent: August 19, 2016
Subject: Re: Dave’s input posted. Also quoted you. Please review.
Hi again Sandra,
The law firm phoned yesterday and turned the matter down. It would be really BIG, HUGE to sue the Government of Canada although lots of law firms do but this amalgam thing is like “sacred ground” as it’s been a secret for so long and would cause shock waves in every area. The law firm did give me the phone number for the Law Society to get numbers of other law firms who may be interested in taking the case. I haven’t started that process yet as I’ve been an Olympic junkie and was happy to see the Canadian ladies’ soccer team whip Brazil ladies.
Good for Dave that he’s being “visible”. I don’t know what blogging is all about as I am a mercury brain bozo but that may be the way to proceed. I spun my wheels for many years writing letters to the Federal Government like we were taught to do in Grade 5 if we wanted something changed that was within their powers. I’m sure the Harper government which didn’t do anything for anybody that they didn’t have to, had many a good laugh over the letters. I actually wrote the letters to our MP, Peter Julian, who isn’t our MP anymore but I know he presented them in the House of Commons but with no support, it died a natural death. I even sent Prime Minister Harper, the Health Minister at the time (whoever it was), and Peter Julian copies of Dr. Vimy’s book, Your Toxic Teeth, in the event they hadn’t read it. It only cost a couple of bucks because anything you send your MP goes postage free. (INSERT: no, mailing BOOKS is not covered. They go into some sinkhole, somewhere; they are not delivered to the MPs. As was discovered by a gentleman who bought $8,000 worth of “Beyond Banksters“. MPs fudged their way through it. They did not say to him, “No, we did not receive. Books do not get delivered.”) I got the odd letter by return for my correspondence giving the same old response the Federal Government had been churning out for all these years. That was a total waste of time.
My girlfriend in Edmonton is dying of cancer. I sent my other girlfriend in Edmonton a copy of Dr. Vimy’s book, Your Toxic Teeth, years ago but I guess they figured that it only applied to me as I know they didn’t do anything about their amalgam fillings. To my knowledge, the only people that paid any attention to the book were our former pastors at the Salvation Army whose oldest daughter was diagnosed with Chrone’s disease. That was probably because they also consulted a nutritionist at about the same time as I lent them the book who absolutely knew about the toxicity of amalgam fillings as mercury really does a number on the digestive system.
Enough for now,
Susan
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Sent: August 19, 2016
To:‘Susan Cc: Grant
Subject: Getting rid of mercury Should lawsuit be pursued?
Thanks for the update, Susan. (Vanc law firm declined the case).
Re Maybe I’ll stick just with you guys at least for the time being.
That would be fine, of course!
Re Class Action Lawsuit
Yes, in your words – It’s massive when you go up against the Feds.
But it might not be them that would be the target. Could be dental associations, or other. The selection of WHO would be a strategic decision.
Just in case you want to explore it further:
The Merchant Law Firm in Regina is well-known across Canada for doing class actions. I phoned them, just to see whether they might be an option to explore. You have to be very careful, I think. They end up with a LOT of money from the class action suits. Enough that Tony Merchant is among those who use “offshore banking” (or maybe he is a wise investor?!). He is notorious, some people dislike him intensely, because they don’t like that he makes a lot of money from the class actions. This statement from the Law Firm about itself is worthwhile considering. They are
very good at what they do, and they take cases that other lawyers (like the one you consulted) won’t touch:
Merchant Law Group LLP and Tony Merchant, Q.C. are well known for pursuing class action lawsuits in Canada including litigation regarding
Winners/HomeSense, Various Cellular Phone Fees, BCE Dividends, GM Gasket Manifolds, Hip Implants, Lead Paint in Toys (and similar consumer products), Maple Leaf, Celebrex/Bextra, Vioxx, Sony, Residential Schools and various other cases.
Tony Merchant, Q.C. is known to be one of Canada’s most active litigators with more than 600 reported cases in leading Caselaw Journals, having argued thousands of cases before the Canadian and American Courts, in Trial and Administrative Courts, and the Courts of Appeal of various American and Canadian jurisdictions, the Federal Court of Canada, and the Supreme Court of Canada.
Tony Merchant, Q.C., has a long history in pursuing public policy cases and is a former Member of the Legislative Assembly (M.L.A.)
(toll-free 1-877-359-7777). While talking with the receptionist, I saw this page on their website – – you can submit a class-action request from it: http://www.merchantlaw.com/class-actions
That might be a worthwhile step, just to get more info to help make a decision.
I was surprised – – there’s a whack of class action suits listed. Probably a lot of them going nowhere?
I clicked on just one of them, to see what kind of info was there. It’s where I found the above quote about the firm. I didn’t take time to see if any of the lawsuits are against the amalgam industry, or dental organizations.
The departing word of the receptionist was: if there is no reply to an on-line submission within a couple weeks, phone them (toll-free 1-877-359-7777). She seemed to prefer: just talk directly
with one of their lawyers.
You need to know: I can help in little ways like the preceding. I can help spread the word, using my networks. But the available time I have to do more than that is limited. Just maintaining the blog and working on selected issues more intensely from time-to-time, as opportunities present themselves, is all I can handle.
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Sent: August 19, 2016
To: Sandra
Subject: Re: Getting rid of amalgam
Hi again,
I know about Tony Merchant and I was in contact with him years ago. He had just finished litigating the aboriginal claims and made millions of dollars in fees. Yes, probably all those fees are in offshore accounts. He wasn’t interested in taking the case at that time but may have different ideas now. He may be legally barred from taking the case because it has so much damage that will come to Canada.
I think the Fed Government is the proper target as they are the ones who have allowed amalgam fillings in the first place in 1996 admitting that there was a “tiny” amount of mercury in the fillings that didn’t affect the majority of Canadians. They admitted there was a “small percentage of the population” who were allergic (I think that’s the way they described it) and then there was a class action lawsuit in 1998 which had 8,000 plaintiffs that likely the Feds paid off and told them to go away quietly. I honestly don’t know what happened to them. It might be a good thing to check it out. We’ll have to keep digging!
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Sent: August 20, 2016
Subject: Re:Getting rid of mercury. Should lawsuit be pursued?
Hi Sandra,
I just had a good idea. If you were able to get a hold of one of the 8,000 people who were involved in the class action lawsuit in 1998, why not try to get many of them (I know some would have died of the deadly mercury and old age) and try to get rid of mercury by petition. I think Norway got rid of it by petition and I think MP Peter Julian offered that method to me years ago and it was useless to me then because I could probably only come up with a handful of people by myself. What do you think? That would probably also be cost effective.
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Sent: August 20, 2016
Subject: RE: Getting rid of mercury Should lawsuit be pursued?
I really like your idea, Susan.
Kathryn Corbeil might be interested in trying to track down Wayne Obie, the fellow who spear-headed the 1998 Lawsuit. See if he might have the list of 8,000.
It’s a question I’d like to put to the lawyer, if were to come up empty-handed on Obie – – any chance he might have an old file with the names?
(INSERT: the story of Wayne Obie’s fight in Ontario over mercury amalgams is a truly tragic one. Through phone conversations with Susan who helped out in his small rented office along with others, and through attempted inquiries to see if the file of 8,000 names Wayne Obie assembled, of people who were badly damaged by mercury fillings, could be found, I heard the story.)
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Subject: Re: Giving amalgam fillings the BOOT
SENT: Aug 22. 2016
Hi again Sandra,
That could be a great idea. I was thinking that we might be able to get this thing done through our M.P.’s, but maybe not since my MP is NDP, Kennedy Stewart. They changed the electoral boundaries a few years ago otherwise we would still have Peter Julian who was somewhat up to speed on getting rid of amalgam fillings/mercury. I haven’t been in contact with Kennedy Stewart as yet but he may only be an email away. I’ll get right on that.
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016
To:‘Susan
Subject: RE: Giving amalgam fillings the BOOT
I emailed the 1998 Class Action Lawyer, Himelfarb, and Kathryn Corbeil this morning re possibility of finding names from 1998 lawsuit attempt.
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Sent: 24 Aug 2016
Subject: Re: Giving amalgam fillings the BOOT
Hi again Sandra,
I emailed our MP on Monday and also called him on the phone yesterday but have heard nothing back . You’d think this was summer holidays or something! Who is your MP? We might be
able get something going with the 2 MPs. I sure hope something comes of this as many people have died of that garbage since I first found out the “dirty little secret” 10 years ago. This is a dirty job but somebody’s godda do it!
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Sent: January 13, 2017
Subject: Re Mercury: Have you been watching the Vaccination series, relationship to disease, Autism etc ??
Thanks Sandra for the link to the video.
Were you not able to get the list of names of the original 8,000 Plaintiffs in the original class action lawsuit? That was probably a hard request to fill with privacy concerns and all. I look forward to future anti-mercury dealings in whatever form.
Nice talking to you again. I’ll make sure we stay in touch.
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017
To: Susan
Subject: RE: RE Mercury: Have you been watching the Vaccination series, relationship to disease, Autism etc ??
No – the list of 8,000 names was a “no go”, unfortunately, but to be expected, as you note Susan.
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Sent: January 23, 2017
Subject: Re: RE Mercury: Have you been watching the Vaccination series, relationship to disease, Autism etc ??
Hi Sandra,
I wonder how we together could best do a number on Health Canada about amalgam fillings. I have loaned Dr. Vimy’s book, Your Toxic Teeth, out to many people and I tell everyone I can that my condition of being a cripple is from my former amalgam fillings which were removed 10 years ago. What legal ways of protest are there? I did notify my MP that I wanted to start a class action lawsuit by petition when I thought it might be possible. I sure wish it could be.
What’s your thoughts?
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